Tea with Bublik: Daniil Dubov

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The man has never [music] been in the top- 10000. It's hardest for me when I They're trying to take over with stupidity. I don't think he's new type of competitor. [music] I didn't tell him competitor. In short, we asked: “Put it there football is just." You made a move, I think, and you [music] You go somewhere to drink tea and have a chat. Yes, we and the boys are there with you we're laughing our heads off. I play best on small ones chamber tournaments, when Yes. no problem [music] with training. Talent is this slacker, who was sitting there spitting at something ceiling. Then I looked somewhere, there [music] immediately comes to his mind the right move. You said you helped Magnus. How This is a bit wild for me. We have, Moreover, there might be a top person there help, conditionally, there, the second one or the first one. [music] Hi all. My name is Alexander Bagel, and this is the new show Tea with Bagel. Today I have a Russian guest chess player, grandmaster, world champion Rapidu Daniil Dubov. Dania, hi. Hello. Ah, Dan, listen, tell me, Please, a little bit about behind the scenes chess. Do you have any changing rooms? How are you there? What's your connection like? people there? So, how do you meet? Do you have warm-up zones? I just like a man who has never been there. Tell me a little about how things are with you there is a full-fledged behind the scenes happening before important games, parties, like We don't have anything going on in front of us plus or minus, but at least we have something going on time. That is, we have what you have The dressing room is what we call a room. rest. Usually when you play like this there is a more or less strong tournament there, there is recreation room. That is, when you did move, your opponent thinks: "You can go to the break room, there's something like that there is also tea, coffee, some food, there, then, is a screen from the broadcast, that is there, if a person makes a move, you you'll see." And there you can fall on put a little sofa there and chill out somehow. Theoretically, we can't communicate with each other communicate, but in real life, of course, in this There's always chatter in the break room It goes non-stop. Yes. By the way, we have this one, it's so thin the line, in fact, is always that, as well, it would be obviously impossible to communicate, because you shouldn't be there conditionally give a hint to a friend. But, Well, I don't know, I mean, we somehow we try to understand that you can play discuss what if someone did some stupid move, you can discuss, that he is so stupid, but nothing more. That is, during the game, that is, roughly saying we're playing, you did move, I think, and you're going somewhere drink tea and Yes, we and the boys are there with you we're laughing our heads off. Yes, yes, that's exactly how it happens, Yes. And at this moment you are there with coach, if you have one team? No, coach. Coach no, no, it's just people who play the same tournament. That there is this that is, at the same time in this room may be located, Well, there are about nine or eight people there, right? And you have a TV, and you watch how some person can't even guess, that he has already lost, Yes. But on the other hand, then he he'll make a move, and I'll go think, and they They will also make fun of me, rudely speaking. I mean, yeah, no, well, in these rooms. the rest there is simply absurd. I remember, The funniest thing for us was that, well, always there is a broadcast in this break room, yes, that is it Yes, of course you need this screen, but At some point, I remember, we were playing Russia-China match, and something else there was a discussion, I don't remember, we whether they turned it on or not. In my opinion, by the way, turned on. The point is that we, in short, played in Moscow, and we actually asked, either the euro was coming or something. We, In short, they asked: "Put football there" "simple." And, in my opinion, something is real to us either they turned it on there for a while, Well, what is really going on there was no broadcast. I remember that we There was one game day when We all really wanted to play quickly so that go watch football and we ended up asked you to have it if you want, so that we can play, turn it on there Just. I am gender. And you said that it works it is impossible to communicate. It's like somehow is it regulated or is this a rule as it were not written? And you just feel that way, are you deciding how this is? No, it is theoretically regulated, but this is not entirely clear. That is, according to the rules, you can’t communicate, but that is, according to the rules it is not allowed. According to the rules It's not possible, but it's at the level of adults there. I don't really understand why this is not possible. That there is not what is written there, but that What do you mean, for example, there for Yes, you have there for every word racket or your word there is a specific number. Okay, yeah, you Yeah, you're kind of doing your there's a choice there, is it worth screaming about? whether to swear at this money or not. For me, for example, it would also be worth it. I don't do anything I say, I understand you. But it’s just that with us, when this is not allowed, but I'm not very Pony. Well, okay, right? That is, there should be the referee should be constantly approaching us and makes a remark. At some point there we must bring it to that stage, where he will say that next time like I'll give you a zero. Well, that is to say, none. There are no financial penalties. Or, let's say, there are no financial ones. That is, this is a move. No no no, this is theoretically very polar thing. That is, this is the line between nothing and the fact that in the end they will give you will give defeat. But it is still necessary bring them to the final stage. Here we are with Yanchik managed it once, in my opinion, first time there in history. Well, I don't I still remember. Here we have some moment really, but this is in my memory at a high level the only time that we They played a game with the same result set 0:0. And tell me a little about this party, I don’t I know, I can't imagine. There was a good one the joke is that all the parties are on high the level is played for three results and only the party of oaks does not remember and on four. [laughter] What exactly happened in this? Well there that it was like a deal, that is, it was There's a really big scandal in the world. us. Well, it's such a, it's a very gray area, that is, I don’t feel there at all. I I can talk about this openly. But there the point is that well we play this World Blitz Championship, yes, that is, Well, roughly speaking, in these tournaments it's very Many fixed draws are made. Always It was so, it will always be so. Necessary understand that in chess there is a contract draw. This, I understand, is bad. sounds. Yes. It sounds very much like that. It sounds bad, but just understand that a draw is the most likely outcome for us the result is always there. That is, roughly speaking, a party of oaks, not remembering all the same most likely to end in I don't care. So basically, if you're in You play in this tournament, we won't do this to you we rob. That is, we have ethics it works in such a way that if someone someone's agreement that someone will get someone If you beat him, then you can kill him for that. conditionally. That is, this is huge problem. And a draw, well, most likely so otherwise it would have been a draw. Moreover, when it's beneficial for both of us, well, I don't care didn't understand the logic. So you're playing tennis, it sounds bad to you there, but you play, you have a victory and defeat. I, you see, I'm playing a game, in which nothing can be offered at all. I don't really understand the difference, but I I can offer a draw on the first move, but I can at zero. What is the problem, Yes? That is, it is not entirely clear. Well, in short, the point is that there are these parties A million are played for real. This is always the case eyes are closed, but there, because We didn't like the organization there, we they thought that, in general, they spend time there It's bad and everything is delayed, we're doing it conditionally expressed a little protest there in a strange way. Who's counting? idiotic, someone else somehow, that we We made this thing, and a meme appeared there. there is a dance of horses, that we walked symmetrically on horses there, to go all the way to the board and return to initial position. So you actually did it? No, we actually did that, but but I mean, we're kind of emphasized that this was a fixed match. That is there is any other agreement, well, for me Obviously, it's all about the top for everyone there. 100 hundred is obvious, but there is a conditional To the audience it doesn't look that way. We are this they did it exactly to the point, as if consciously. I understand. Well, they gave us a 0:0 score. Well, Congratulations. So there's some guy there, who's there Yes, you said the player in top 100, that is, you get this Top 100 players. It's about the same as us in tennis. It's like the elite, it's dream. I don't know how it is with you. let's say there's a child who works We dream much less. Not 100, Of course, much less. Yeah. That is, roughly speaking, the top 100 - this is not the measure of the most important success in chess. This is the rating from starts or with what rank this is starting ... So I achieved something in chess. Well, listen, you yourself understand that It's very individual. I don't know, are you in Tennis, you can answer this question. We have the top 100. That is, if you went into the top 100, then, in principle, anyone a person who is outside of tennis in tennis, he will say that you are like here with us There is such a word as "started playing", it's very often used. Play tennis in understanding of a professional person, Yes, any professional is to go to top 100. That is, if you were 101, we There are a couple of guys who were there. 101, 108, 104. And as if there is such a thing it feels like even there ATP is often writes something like the person has never been in the top 100, for example, at completion. That is For us, getting into the top 100 ranking is this is considered a measure of what all this is measure of success. Well, that's understandable, further down the line. other stages are already underway, yes. But here it is The first thing is to get into the top 100 - that's it the dream of every boy, every girl, who plays tennis. Well, here we have, probably, if we carry out parallel, we probably have the same There is a magic number. She's not exactly some one is in the ranking, and she is yours rating. So we have this one here Magic rating 2.700. It is believed that That you scored 2,700 - that's like you already There you belong to the elite. In fact we also have it, since there is inflation, Not everyone understands what this means. That is there used to be people with a rating of 2.700 and There were about 10 people above there early 2000s. At some point they There were two there before, now there are two there about 30 people. Yes. Here. But still, this 2.700 is like here you are now. That is, not a grandmaster, that is, not No no no no. Well, there are grandmasters there. a billion in total. So, what is it like? no, no, that is, a grandmaster is in in the sense that it doesn't even guarantee any there is an average Moscow salary. Nene, this is general And tell me a little about the path from here to here We call from the first rank to Grandmaster and up to 2700. What is the path? an average chess player who achieved 2700? Listen, well, the way, uh, not counting the rating, Yes, the same, probably, as in any form sports. That is, you have, well, here is the master sports, then you become a candidate masters. And indicate the age so that it is clear was. We don't have it, that is, I don't know, right now By the way, they could lead, but, in my opinion, No. We have the same title, that is, we have there are no junior categories. A By the way, this is what I always thought The cool thing about chess is that it's so in some way they unite. This is what chess is all about, if you're looking for the positive, I always thought this was cool. That there can be chess, unlike Tennis, yes, people of any age can play it age, any gender. They can play there from different parts of the world. In this sense Chess - you are such a cool thing. That Yes, even a ninety-year-old can play this. grandfather from Bali there, with a child there Krestovsky, especially, yes, they can in sit down on the internet and ride. This is cool. Here. And so, well, you pass there is a path to grandmaster, in principle, If you are a talented golop, then here you go I became a grass-maker there when I was like 14 years old, that's far from a record. Ah, ah, okay. That is, it’s like, well, okay, it’s like you would you claim that you talented, but there is a conditional record there, I think it's been 12 years there and something like that there are months. That is, a twelve-year-old child can be a grandmaster of the mine. Maybe, maybe, maybe, moreover, no, well, you have to understand that to become a grandmaster us again. That is, since it is going on There's a bit of inflation here, this title devalued a little. That is It will become easier for the masters in principle every year. There's more and more of the Grasmeister, that is, it has less and less sacredness meaning. But still, of course, it's cool. And in general, you quickly become Grandmaster. And then you get a little freaked out, because that there is some unexpectedly huge one there gap. That is, you have this path there from candidate for master to master of sports, he there it is relatively short. You there, as a candidate for master, you You're already playing with them. Then from the master to Grosmester, well, also sort of more or less. And then suddenly, that is you are a grandmaster, you are something like that there is the three hundredth in the world and like hello. Then you have a mark of 2.700 - that's thirtieth in the world. And it takes a lot a lot of time. So you go like this I guess it would be possible to compare what I have you are going completely overboard professionals and in principle you don’t have, that is, you stop playing with these children, you stop playing some there are junior and European championships, something, and you suddenly sit there with these adults there are the best in the world play with the guys and prove something to them. This, of course, takes many years. That We usually have this here, you quickly you fly out, especially, by the way, in Russia, I think we all have something similar the way that somewhere we are all by sixteen we flew to such a good level, top 10000, and then here's what to do these half steps, everyone there took 4 years, for some it's five, for me it might be more in general. Yes. But the title of Grandmaster and the rating, they It's like they go together. What do you mean? get? What is a thunderclap? Grasmeister, look, Grasmeister is You need to get a rating of 2.500. Yes. 500 and there you have to meet the standard three times. Well, you'll meet the standard there, okay. IN In total, it's 2,500. But you have to understand, 2.500 - that's you in the world there, I don't know, not even the three hundredth. Yes. That is, it’s generally like Well, yes, that’s it How to get a diploma. Yes. That is, it turns out it's in Czech 2,500. No, this is No, look, cheese - this is it for chess for for you. Chasm is [laughter] sometimes it's a sharashka. There is none there The rating on Shkom is not at all. What kind of rating? rating? No, well, there is an official international one. rating. Well, how do you have ATP? rankings. We also have it there feed rating. You can also visit website. Everything just works worse for us. But in principle, that is, roughly speaking, I can start his path in professional chess Today, Yes? So you just need to go sign up for the tournament, right? You will get yours first rating. Yes. That is, this is not a Chestkom rating, which I have. That is not it. No, not the rating of Chesco. No, well, the rating. there are people there, listen, there are people there They can play, there's cheating for two ways, there I can play instead you, but it can't be official rating, too obviously. Yes. No, of course not a rating. Shkoma - this is generally funny to me Now, by the way, what I know is that some There are supposedly some half-assed coaches writing somewhere on their site There on profi.ru I have this one rating on Chascom. I'm there all the time I think, damn, well, there's the rating on chatcom, can be anything. I have a friend there he'll ask, he'll be there in a day fifth rating on the site there. Yes. That is as if Well, yes, yes. It turns out that the rating earned in live, that is, in living games. Of course, of course, of course. Yes, sure. And here is the transition of chess from classical chess, here on a beautiful board, wooden, deliciously smelling on the internet, How did it affect our chess players? at all? What do you feel about it? Like is it for you or are you still, when here you are there, I don’t know, you’re not in the locker room, in you sit in this room and you discuss like this: "Aha, it was better before or now? This is great. How are you doing? "Do you relate to this?" In general, firstly, in my opinion, judging by the fact that You're telling me about the locker room, so It's hard to judge, as if from afar, but in general, judging by everything, you are generally more friendly. Yes. That is us more inclined to hate each other. Well, we're in the same locker room, we're kind of We have neighboring showers, we are in the same one in this We're sitting next to each other in Aisbatak, you know? We have It's like there is communication in principle. Honestly, I honestly don't think that if they put us in the same locker room there and there would be something in the neighboring showers has changed. I think it's just because in fact, it seems to me, in fact, These are the types of sports that are physical, Well, they are kind of healthier. That is namely, that in principle people, well, somehow people are in a better mood, that is, you You're still moving, yes, you have energy somehow finds a way out more or less in a natural way. That is, in principle, for a person there to go somewhere, to move, to run, this is as if it were natural. Sit there for 7 hours to be stupid in some square thing, that's somehow less attractive, yes, and also after that say that it's yours there some friend there who beat you, Yes? Yes. He went, I don’t understand at all. More Here's another way to declare a draw on the first move. So, a draw is a great thing option. Now you understand, yes, What's good for you is good for me and time there, as if we saved it, yes, we can go there's something to be done there. Here. And about online I'm coming back. Well, I don't know, it's so difficult. speak for everyone. I don't like, Certainly. Well specifically for you. Yes. Yes. Well, I mean, of course, I don't I like it just because of this leaves, uh, well, some kind of social Part. You probably know what it's for Seems like? Here we go again, if with tennis compare, it's like I don't know, you're in Did they play without spectators during Covid? Yes. Yes. Well, that's probably it, something like this same. That is, you are somehow sitting, but this it becomes, well, just work. Well, that is to say, yes, there was no pleasure. Yes, yes, this is no pleasure. That is, you are not with anyone there. you'll talk, because, well, even we you can't talk, but suddenly Cool. So when you're sitting there, you are all sitting in the same room, next to each other, there the guys are playing something interesting party, you have something with someone there looked at each other, you obviously thought there about some position the same thing. Well It's like there's still some social aspect, and here I am sitting something at home with this laptop there. That is, roughly speaking, you and I can sit, and you will play the championship peace at this moment, and I will be with you stay at home. Plus or minus, yes, yes, yes, yes. Plus or minus, yes. And they are still there they ask, that is, there, when online big money starts to be played out, there at some point it became a problem, that they, in order to fight cheating, Well, that is to say, no, they are right, so must be done. Just, well, specifically on it affects your life a little bit It's unpleasant that you're sitting and you have to, then if you have Zumkou, then you have it camera on the side, camera on the back, you owe them show the whole apartment or where you are from you're playing. Yes. That is, you are natural, I mean, they They tell you: "Take the laptop, come in here into that room, show me what's there." Do you hear, there, well, You can do anything there. Yes, yes, yes. I don't know, but they they just mean that there might be something there and whoever, I'm not right actually. That is, it is real there when they are played out such money, and it is obvious that if people They will cheat and never get caught. But they have to do something, I Understand. But what I mean is that online is just I still became, that is, there with all these the tests are still live, but for me you just have to come. Here I have a party in three, I need to go there at 257. I'll sit down I'll play and leave. I have neither before nor after You don't need to do anything with this online. You need to check this on the Internet in advance. It's you who logs into this zoom in advance, You show them your whole apartment. There they really tell you there, except jokes, I swear to you, they can say: "Show your ears." Well, what wasn't there? that you don't have microscience. Well, this is real. You know what it looks like. That There really is, like, in the camera, like this with your ear there. The World Rapid Champion walks around the apartment and shows. No no. Come on, what's going on? apartment, and just imagine what happened you're just, well, like You have a good imagination, don't you? Imagine that you are in this zoomcall and you they say as close as possible: "Show me ear." [laughter] Do you really understand how what does this look like? So you really you start with your ear on this screen there they're watching something Here. And they look, yes, yes, yes. That There is, and in short, it's not enough like. That is, after all, well, chess - This is, first of all, a game of games in general for pleasure. That is, precisely in the plan I don't really like pleasure. Yes. Although I know, by the way, that many young people That's exactly it, apparently, different generations. That There is another generation of people with you, which there was a courtyard. We're having fun chat there. And they, it seems to me, on the contrary, by the way, they like that on the contrary, I'll be there for 9 hours in this sit online, and they, on the contrary, like it, that you don't need to communicate with anyone, no one He looks, but no one comes. That is, they In general, such people are more on their own wavelength, there some kind of introverts there Well, still, yes, the generation that grew up on phones, we didn't have them. They appeared there at 13, 13, 14 years old. Yes. Yes, yes. And they had them from birth, to them, of course, yes, that's also in fact problem in question. You and I often do this too. we're discussing what happens when you and I We meet, there is no one on the streets. Eat people of our generation who sit and someone is trying to communicate, they have some companies. And if there, there now it turns out to be closer to thirty than twenty already a lot. And to generations, who are now 18-20 years old there, they, of course, already more, probably, introverts. Well, and introverts. But they actually, if you want something good about them say, I just want to discuss that, like That's how different the Kaner generations are you are 1020 years older than those who grew up in general, in other chess, they are generally in shocked in theory. Well, probably, but we have uh, you have, by the way, I think so too, but we have it especially It's noticeable that I'm in defense of these young people What can I say, I don't like them, Of course, that's it, but You don't like anyone. Well, you're a great guy. [laughter] But, uh, no, but actually with them It's really not very interesting communicate. That is, I was recently, uh, there, Well, no names, but so you understand. the scale that I helped the chess player is very to the young one, who, well, I have some spare I'd say it's well into the top 20. Yes. To be honest, I have a lot of reserves. already now. Either he is there now or he is will it fit in there? Oh, he's there now and he's not, in general. twentieth, not nineteenth, yes. Here. AND He is, moreover, very talented. That is you can see it from him, well, like sometimes you you look at the guy, well, it's obvious that how can you say that a person there is gifted to one thing at most. He has On the contrary, no, he really has intelligence. glows in the eyes. That is to say, it is clear that he Here is a smart, talented guy, he is fast grasps. But he in general, that is, he serves chess, chess chess, he's in I didn't go to school. I told him at some point I say: "Listen," I say, "let me tell you I'll drive around the school a little bit program." I say: "You, well, "It's clearly normal with self-esteem." I say: "You understand that I don't mean to offend you, I'm just curious." He says, "Yes, "Come on, I'm interested too," he says. In short, the man simply didn't know who This is just Hitler. Yes, that is, and and he's smart, you know, it's just that This is the most unbelievable thing, he really is there. He's not made of wood, he's got a grasp of things, you understand that erudition is not one and the same the same, but I mean that these Guys, well, they're just like that with us. it became, that is, people of my generation could still rise, conditionally parallel there, reading books, someone there at all I graduated from good universities there we know something, those guys are there after all, that is, it's just chess, chess, chess. That is, we have a very strong moved. Yes. to the side, that's it professional. You mentioned talent. Eh, how to understand? a talented chess player? Here's how it is what does this look like? Moving around somehow? Listen, this is an interesting topic. I'm on this one The topic came up unexpectedly. We have so Fabian Croana. So, dude, here we are with him in some They even came up with a moment unexpectedly for us some beef that I said somewhere, but he there for me it is undoubtedly second in the world many years, exactly at a distance. Yes. Here. And I said somewhere that, well, he, obviously, the most kind of the most unhinged in the top 20 there or somewhere. And he has I'm telling you, I already have my podcast there. everyone has their own podcast, see? And this and he has them there too, in short, somehow we discussed who I was to be there to judge something there. And then they me They called. I was just explaining to him: “Yes, I I say, no, on the contrary, I speak with respect, that I admire you, that You're like so talentless and yet you're still You play like you really play. There are so many more talented people there all of us." That is, I say the opposite, It's a compliment, so to speak. Here. Well, it's complicated. I don't know. I remember, how you answered me to the same question about tennis, that too, here are some kids, that You see there literally one blow at a time. You say: "Yeah, there's this one there something can, this something can." Well, that's it. We also have this true, well I don't know, you you see exactly here, Well, in simple words, somehow for that, to understand. I just need some prano Interesting. I can tell you later in the secret tell me how I see it. Well listen, I don't know. Well, here are a couple of moves you see, you see the train of thought, you you see the speed there, It seems to me that you are still very strong with us uh, do you know what distinguishes talented people? people? What a person, you see, he is like not afraid Yes. that he's young, he's basically, well, he somehow makes decisions easily. That is We have a lot of guys like that, well, those who are doing something that seems to be wrong that under duress, but with such a conditional straight-A student syndrome, that's what it is diligent, he sits there, thinks, everything weighs. As a rule, by the way, talent not him. Talent is this the slacker who was sitting there he spat at the ceiling, then he went somewhere I looked and it immediately went to his head the right move comes. He himself doesn't know Why. That is, roughly speaking, by the eyes and and which, yes, which is all very easy there it is, yes, he has some moves there calls. He doesn't even know why. He he is not afraid that he is wrong, and he, like rule, right. Well, well, generally speaking, talent - This is Fabi, in principle, fair to me I said that Fabi told me for a long time, he says he doesn't understand what this is at all talent. I say: "Okay, I'm asking you to "Not there." But, Well, yes, that's usually how it happens. People, who say that they don't understand what treasure, they just don't have it. We have the same. Yes, yes. But jokes aside, he's somehow in I actually agreed with him in some ways case. That is, we probably have conditional a talented chess player will be called a person who has all the skills the most developed are the spectacular ones. Well that is, for example, if you were here If I were a chess player, I would play exactly the same way, like in tennis, they would talk about you there, that you are talented because conditionally these shortened ones there are something, it looks spectacular. That is what it looks like effectively and well developed, we have called talent. As for me, they are also somewhere They say that you have beautiful ones there parties, like it's spectacular, so you talented. There are actually others skills that are no less useful and perhaps more useful, but not as much they look impressive that Kuruana can, for example, just like sitting for 6 hours board and it doesn't fail at the end the brain, it seems to almost never will make some kind of one-move rude miscalculation. But it's not that erotic skill, it's strange to call it talent. But I'll leave at about six or seven o'clock, I guess. much more often than he does. OK. Well, probably the talented one is the one, Who has more impressive skills? Really? This is better. I remember you told me about what you you can, when there is a chessboard and hands only, you can determine who is playing chess, conditionally, at what level and what You taught our mutual friend Vanya Yankovsky to move chess figures. Tell me a little about this. That is, as I remember, you told me the same thing I tried to explain, you said: "Everything is not so, everything is not so." I seem to take Right. You say, "No, no, no, no." That's how it is for a simple person, who will look at this, that's how it is for us It's difficult to understand. Here How to move pieces professionals? In terms of? Well, well Listen, it's even difficult. I don't know, How to hold a racket correctly there. That Yes, well, that's probably easier for you. explain to me what about the figures. But, well, it just really happens that on in fact, especially when a little an inconvenient board, like we have here, for example, this board is small, right? That is, especially when the figures are small. On In fact, the movement of pieces requires It's exactly if you play with the clock that's it it needs to be done relatively quickly, it's on in fact, it requires, oddly enough, some motor skills. Here. minimally developed. Well, indeed, it happens that when a person, uh, there is a takeover, for example, There is the simplest one, we have this one Well, it's kind of mechanical, yes, if you eat it with one figure another one, you, as a rule, are there you make a move with one hand, you shoot the figure you eat, you put in at the same time, put your figure on the same square, you are still eaten in this hand figure, then you remove it. Well, that is to say anyone can do this like this professional. Well, there is something like that an amateur can, here he can, like in the beginning He can just remove the figure he found there, then come back and put your own something there's more. Well, that is to say, it is clear that it is like if my hand wasn't trained. Vanya really did have a funny attitude. To me what was the funniest thing was that, damn, I I couldn't even explain it to him. That is, here it is he makes some move, I just tell him I say: "No." He says: "So what, so what "Isn't that right?" I say, "I don't even know." I say: "Well, I understand that, well, well, well not like that, yes, well, well not like that, yes, well It's obvious you're not a game." He says, "Well, how, how do you do it, he says, I do it I do." He says: "You do the same. the same." I say: "No, not the same." I I say: "I didn't [laughter] know how you "explain." I say: "I don't understand myself, what's the difference, but it's just clear that I I've been playing all my life, and you're on your first day." Sort of. Well, by the way, the funniest thing is that even In fact, this is very difficult fight. Well, jokes are jokes, but even in the best examples like chess in cinematography all the same, that is, neither the queen's move, nor with all due respect to my friends there Vanya Yankovsky and Misha Troynik, neither in this world champion, not anywhere else. Listen, I don't think I've ever seen, so that the person who That is the only exception is this one The film "Grandmaster" is Soviet, but there chess players actually play. But I don't I have never seen anyone a professional actor, not a chess player moved the pieces in a really realistic manner. No, there is, you know, this one about Fischer Pawn Sacrifice, Yes, with Maguire. Yeah, no way. Well, that is actually it It's not as simple as it seems. Well, yes, because it seems like it's very Just. What difference does it make, I took it and installed it. That is, Well, yes, but it's the same on the other side. the difference is, like, probably, if I'm there I'll stand on the back line with a racket, too it will seem like what difference does it make? Yes, but we You and I will stand differently. Yes. Yes. Moreover, in fact, I have a watch It will take just to get up. Even there is no need to take anything. Well, even stand up straight as you are standing there. I think, what you. And who, by the way, it seems to me, now I said, I imagined how you would stood at the reception. I probably would too said right away that here, here, here. Yes, yes. Well, well, well, well. Besides, often you won’t even be able to explain. Well, I kind of theoretically I will stand as if correctly. You you'll just understand that it's not like professional. Yes, yes, yes. [laughter] This is it roughly the same. Yes. Don't know. And you said about this board that it small, inconvenient. What size? standard board when you play here live parties? as if as if there is Do you have a standard correct one? size, height, figure we have. Well, for strong tournaments, I think they did a good job, by the way. U We have a kind of GOST, that is, we play, there are some, they are called Staunton figures. Yes. This Here is a certain model. They are different sizes, but these are the same figures, then yes, they increase proportionally or decrease. We play, yes, on the plus or minus of the same ones on the same beautiful boards. By the way, I don't have one like that at home. That There is, uh, this is a funny meme, by the way. You know, by the way, a huge number of there are no very strong chess players at home at all the fact that there is chess. Well, for example, I don’t have any shady ones. swords at home, all the more good ones. Well, okay, you're in You don't play tennis at home. It turned out that I I mean, it doesn't matter, like, I don't have them never tennis swords, and I have only those rackets that I have with me I drive. And you can take the board with you, For example? Well, I don't know how we are here. we can take the swords if we want there or some towels, well, in short, some souvenirs, if in principle we We have a desire, we can take it. You can you can take a chessboard which I don't know Yes. No, well, actually, no, of course not. No. OK. You said that if the party is in three, then you can do it absolutely calmly come to 257 and go in and sit down. Is there any warm-up? If something you're there, I don't know, walking down the street, driving to the car and you're working on something, some combinations or preparing for an opponent somehow? How does this work? pre-match? If this is serious a serious party? No, well, if this is a serious game, you, Of course, you prepare for it and you prepare for a long time, but you are preparing specifically for a game against a specific person. It takes hours. That is, as a rule, well, look, My regime looks like this, I'm just like this I understand how you live at the tournament, right? That is how it looks like for me basically the day there is a difficult tournament, what if we take that I have a party in three, for example, let's go from there to the party parties, yes, that conditionally I go to three, I'm playing a game, but she can go uh there as luck would have it, roughly from 2am to 5pm. Well, roughly speaking, well, I played there, I something came back there, I changed my clothes and had dinner there. Yes. Here comes the draw. It's a draw So who are you playing with next? day. Yes. And I love, that is, well, you, as a rule, it is necessary to outline a kind of debut, that is, you need to outline the first ones moves, you need to choose something, that is, what You will play with black. Well, if He sings E4, what are you going to do? D4, what will you do at least in general features? As a rule, well, naturally, you are strong you go deeper, you will polish it most often the next day, or yours the trainer will polish it at night, while are you sleeping. But at least I love This is exactly the decision to make in the evening. Yes. That's why it usually goes away for me. at night. That is, here I am, conditionally I'll lean on it and I'll lie down there at 2:00 at 3 am I already know clearly there, okay, maybe, something needs to be, well, polished, but globally I know, I'll play this, that that, that, okay, somewhere like that twenty-fifth move, there will be more to come Let's check tomorrow, right? Accordingly, then I get up, well, how is it would obviously be quite late. I have Here's a problem I've run into fight with these protein ones bars, that I have a problem, that I, as a rule, no longer get on for, well, that is, I can get on breakfast, but, roughly speaking, if I got up there at 11:00 and the game is in three, basically, it's hard to fit in two full receptions food at this time. Here. And you and I, as a rule, eat once. And this is actually a problem because that I will go to the party later, she can it takes 6 hours to walk. So suddenly you have how do you find yourself in a situation where unexpectedly you can be there until 9:00 pm eat there once, returning to Faba, It's no surprise that I'll end up leaving, yeah, somewhere. Well, yes. But I started taking these protein bars to go. To me, By the way, it helps. That is, as the game progresses I really feel like it helps. Here, So, in the end, yes, that is, here I am got up, had breakfast, usually something nervously polished. Yes. Then you do something there, well, I don’t know, I somewhere around 1:30 a.m., probably I'll lie down. Yes. And yes, there's a shower there, then, yes. got dressed and went and so on in a circle. That is, when you prepare for to your opponent, you think more about yourself. That there is, for example, if I just give Let me give you an example, for example, when I'm getting ready some rival, let's say, some It's an important match for me, I'm trying harder think about myself, what is required of me for in order to beat this man. AND, Let's say I think 70 to 30 about myself. That I am, I am making some preparations, I am I think about what if I played with him I made mistakes and so on and so forth similar. That is, I leave 30% to him. I think, "Okay, he's playing these spots, such points." That is, what can I do, how I can prevent some serious situations for me? Well, in your case, you the more you do, do you think about yourself or about rival? Well, I think that this is, by the way, in Tennis, by the way, I think the same way. To me It seems that the games will be similar in general psychology. I think that in general much more It's easier to think about yourself. And it is more correct to think about yourself when you think you are stronger and vice versa, the more you have the more problems you have with a person, the more you you think that as if and, in fact, that I I will contrast this with this this time. At least it seems so to me. That there is, if there is some person, which, well, he's there, obviously, I think, He plays worse than me, yes, I think so: "Well, I need to get out there, I don't know, speak konkontenni, well, I'll go out and play into your game. Basically, if I will Play normally, I will win. We are there We've been through this a thousand times, I'll beat you. it in 1.1". And it happens the other way around, that there is some person with whom you are really you play hard and you already know in advance, Oh my God, is this going to start again? [ __ ]. You have a rough idea already, what will it look like, yes, and you you start thinking in advance that what we are We'll do something about this. So, in fact, I'm more under I play the opponent's strongest. That There is, of course, I will be with Magnus play exactly as you should with Magnus play. That's what to do with him score maximum points. With no one else I won't play like that. This is madness complete, there is no point in this. Nose I'll play with him right there in the very risky, absurd there the game's possibilities, because in principle, if I try to play with him calm down, well, I'm kind of doomed a person who plays worse than me, on the contrary, this person is doomed there. Magnus plays much better. That is to me with him, roughly speaking, if we carry out parallels with Enis, I need to with Magnus just start hitting everyone there lines and try as early as possible the drawing ends because anyone, in In principle, I will lose a long exchange more often I can't do anything at all. That is I need to play with him as much as possible it's risky, well, at least there for It was difficult for both of them, yes, I will lose a lot, but at least I'll win something. Yes. So you have the same thing as us In tennis there are opponents that you inconvenient. That is, you know, that is, you you go to play against someone some person, and you understand that he will do it, and you will like this style of play Tell me about styles, okay? That is, here it is you told me that you have a rival, which you don't like. What style? to you, what style are you against? Do you like to play? What is your style? Just a little bit, so that it's clear, because What do you tell me when you tell me, I think, but it seems like you all walk around, you have You all know who plays how and what kind of the style is the most difficult for you and the most simple, respectively. Well, actually, well, it's harder for me in general, when they try to take me, I do this I call it, well, I mean without negativity I'm saying. I say this with irony when They are trying to take me with stupidity. That is For me this is the most How is that? Well, it's just trying to play ok, just don't do anything nonsense, that is, to play to the maximum controlled, never play first number and wait for me to smash my head into the wall. This is the most important thing for me It's unpleasant that you can't play at all victory, no matter how stupid you try, play calmly and simply like this let me prove myself there some kind of inadequate aggression. That is precisely why, by the way, It seems to me that if I take it on statistics, yes, that is, for me a chess player of my level according to rating I have very good statistics, like very strong with people from the top 5, I have a fantastic top 10 score, but I precisely proportionally to I don't get my rating with those who as if it should be clearly weaker. I'm the same, Yes? Okay, I understand because I those are great, they think they're playing It's better if they play to win, yes, come on, come on, it's great there let's wave. And like, well, let's go ahead and play. Go ahead, I'll make two moves and then you'll surrender. Well, I'm exaggerating, but basically, yes, I have on the contrary, it seems to improve my mood, when someone finally gets there for at least three he will make a move forward, which, Lord, although I wish they would let me play. There's a person there too plays. Well, I'm saying it again, don't. think that I'm showing off. I respect people actually who play they beat me there calmly and simply, because, yes, because I'm an idiot. I am that They are great guys. I can't do this, I mean, it's like really important quality, but for me psychologically, yes, when they play with me to win, that is I even think with the same Magnus, My God, there's already one problem there. less at least. At least I don't need it think, like there, conditionally, there I am nothing don't give it to him, he will play to win, that's all already he's there half of yours solves problems. All that remains is no, well all that's left to do is play well, Yes? That is, he will go out to a big fight, he will always take risks. You may not worry about this. That is, you with the best in the world, you actually know, They will play to win. If you If you play well, you will usually you will win. And with these guys often it's just that there you play as if not only against him, you play like, well, he as if it uses the fact that it is very it's a draw, and besides that, To make good moves, you need more make sure he has all the figures there I didn't change anything, no matter how you did something there I got distracted and now it's already nobody's mine at all. Yes. And it’s hard for me even with people, so to speak. my level. Well, there are people who This is really how they play with me. That I don't play to win with them yet, We make all draws. At some point you will make three or four draws in a row there, This is already tiring you out. You think, "Well, Okay, time to move somewhere. forward. Well, they trained you there in no time, "You gave up well there." Yes. You tell yourself for the hundredth time there is more I will never play with him in my life to win. But it doesn't seem to last. too long. That is, roughly speaking, you prefer the attacking style of your opponents, when they put pressure on you, when you have some exchanges. Well, I'm an amateur, I I'm trying to find the words now so as not to not to sound somehow, you know, it's a fur coat and It didn't grate on your ears. That is, roughly speaking, when a person sits and endures and waiting for the eighth hour of the game, I prefer it when people play first number, yes, I myself am closer to playing number one, and closer so that people also, that is, it is not close to me there's just a person there, so to speak throws the ball there without much thought just through the center and waits for you you will do something. That is, and this I really find it kind of hard. That is I don't quite understand then, well, sooner or later poses twitch somewhere, but, of course, how It would be much more fun to play with people, which you even know, oh well, let's say I'm going to twitch now, uh, he will win. Well, okay, I know he is. he will also play with me himself next one, right? That is, then he he will twitch, but we have people who are the opposite. No, well this is actually cool. I'm not like that I can, for example, it's cool. There are people, There are people who are even in the top 5, five there, conditionally those who build exactly like this game that okay, yeah, I'll play nine parties, okay, I build the game like this, what is most important to me is not a single one not to lose, and then, well, someone he'll leave, there's some Dubov there He'll give me roughly everything, and I'll eat everything. Here a couple of these guys, I'll win two, it will be a gorgeous result. Like two wins, seven draws. And no, no, actually, I mean, it's you there You can really take first place in the tournament. to take with such a result, at least second. That is to say, it's really cool. Well, well. These guys, I have a hard time with them. I understand. That is, they are like water. It's like you're with your head sh kill. I see the only one as there would be an antidote that I would respond to them myself I'm starting to emphasize the lack of anything even more. play. This is what I wanted to ask you. And it seems to me that this is what makes them nervous, that when you're already three or four years old he lost, he's already waiting for, well, just you need to go out approximately, put your palms out and now you will give everything. And then you tell him you demonstrate that no, I want it myself Nothing, I want her even more than you. AND then people kind of collapse a little bit, Yes, this is the paradigm, what do you mean, Why? I had to go somewhere on the contrary twitch, and I'm like, "No, no, "Let's do nothing." And quickly. That is, it happens that during the party you start to get angry and think: "Okay, since you're going to play for a draw, no no crazy actions no you undertake, I would be informal No, this is more than that, it’s not even on the agenda. parties, it's there before the party." Well, that is, us Does it happen along the way? Well, it seems you are still playing positions, but this is rather more interesting, that's not in the flow, but here's something Human. Well, we're just like you, actually. case. That is to say, I think that on average the number of matches that are there conditionally tennis players plus or minus one levels play with each other, and the number of parties that are played with us, These are approximately the same numbers. Well, yes. Here. And, well, of course, there are some people, with whom you are already there in advance, yes, you you see, you played there some 15 parties, Do you have a rough idea of ​​what the score is? you understand the dynamics there, do you understand what was happening? you understand how he will play, and you you can think in advance that me, in Basically, I'm tired of playing with him first. number, I'll go out tomorrow and there's just I'll play as stupidly as possible. Yes. Conditionally. Or vice versa, you think that It's time to add some variety there menu? That is, you, for example, too you're figuring it out with all your brightness and everything, but it is clear that this is what this is a little bit like, well, well, like a facade, yes. So it's actually clear that you you do different things. You will be there conditionally stand on the back in different ways, Yes, there is something further, closer, something else. That If you eat, you will change a lot of things. Well It's exactly the same with us, that yes, of course, you figure it out there, What to do with it. That is, for you it goes from party to party parties, not on time. That is, this It was interesting because we kind of During the match I can decide, that is Can I say that the coach is there, conditionally? plan B, which we kind of thought, we were cooking, something didn't work out, and he told me He says there, let's try it differently. at the moment, that is, you have it in a lesser degree degrees, Yes, but you see, you're playing a match with us. That is, it looks like with us, if you are a match you play, that is, if you play, for example, a blitz match with Shveikondli, here as they played with Nimon, back then, Yes, of course, you change something along the way. or there sometimes somewhere there in conditionally in knockout tournaments, yes, like in tennis the topic is that you play matches, there is something that can be adjusted along the way, but in the course of the game there is no one particular party. Party has already started, that is, the party is more like prank. He can just be very long, but already during the course of the game something like what is called late to rush about. That is, we are already here. It turned out that we had to play somehow. Yes. But yes, definitely, if you play a long match, that is, especially there, I don't know, I helped Magnus, match on Per, you play Yes, of course, Of course, in addition to the training there debut, we basically follow that, what's going on, yeah, that is, where is ours the territory is a playground, where it's not ours, what what There our people are better off than there are worse ones. I understand. Tell me a little bit, here you are said that you helped Magnus. Like this For me it's a little bit wild, yes, as for athlete, that turns out to be a person with which you conditionally played there in some matches, some important matches, then he does he help you or do you help him, how is that even possible? works and how it then affects your face-to-face meetings, so to speak? Does it even matter that you share your experience with him, maybe there might be some secrets, I don't know how This works for you. Here, tell me. Well, he shares it with you too. That is that is, you are fine, roughly speaking. Yes, yes. Yes. That is, we have more there is a top person there who can help, conditionally there the second or even the first. This is fine. That is, this happens to us just more often than not, if you don't don't do any sloppy work and don't do dirty work, that's it most often win-win. Well, that is, for example, with my eyes, and what about me, well I got it, that is, I got it there conditionally, I will be paid a lot of money, b I get unlimited access there to the strongest partner there stories. I can even ask him some questions the questions are precisely subtle there professional, yes, exactly gaming, and He will usually answer me honestly. Yes, Of course, I owe something for this work and also tell something, but to be honest I'm not sure. That is It was very useful for him, but I don't I'm sure it was more beneficial for him, than for me. That is, I, actually, here I won this world championship of mine right after all this work. Well, tell me a little bit about the victory World Championship. Victory victory on World Championships is nothing special. Well, what does that mean? Well, that's great. Like nothing special? How is it nothing special? We yesterday we discussed this with you topic. You told me a little. Please tell me again, that is, What is the title of world champion in the world? chess? That is, inside colleagues? No, we have, look, we have different ones. types of chess, right? That is, we have classical chess, there are world champions there - this is a completely special caste people. It works for us no matter what. tournament. That is, we have what it takes to become world champion, you must be in the match beat the current champion. This is not the fact that we are all playing the same tournament in any match. No, well you have to go out. to the world championship match. You are passing by there is some kind of selection there, there is some kind of pyramid selection, it ends with one a person comes out to play from this selection with world champion match. That is like with the big boss, Yes? That is, the world champion is not like that loses the title without losing a match. That is, as a search protection. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's exactly it. Exactly like that. Yes. So you all play with each other for some time in order to to go out and sit and smoke there. Yes, yes. And waits for us to choose one there. Yes. That's interesting. That is, it is not like a grid movement. This not so. And what's more, we have all of this this cycle is here, which is ending the World Championship match, it's been going on for 2 years, so it's completely unrealistic. That is, Well, roughly speaking, you are with us there are a lot of strong chess players who clearly deserved to play the match in in his prime, but in reality, well, Okay, you've had this prime for 6 years, conditionally, these are just three cycles like this two-year-olds. That means there are three chances, Yes? Well, these are the chances, excuse me, this is You should get everything there every time coincide. That is, you can have it there This selection, I don't know, you have a tummy got sick there during the pre-departure game and wait for more 2 years. That is, we have such cases. many. Of course, all the people who They came out to the match and deserved it. It is impossible to achieve this by accident. But it doesn't work the other way around, that there were certainly people who deserved it, but were not selected. That There are some that are completely crazy. In short, to I don't get involved in that at all. This is there, this is here people who are hung on the walls there chess clubs there. this, in general, is for us No need. Here. Oh, yeah, that means these are people. the level there is exactly the level of the laver there, then Yes, this is not one big slam. to win, that's what the court really is from children. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's what Kortner has there at the Grand Slam they will be in their honor call. That is, it is two in total. Here. And then there are these world championships Rapid and Blitz. This thing is it takes place every year. Look, we have two championships, yes, There is a Rapid Championship and a Blitz Championship. I told you yesterday that it's like a big helmet, but I think it's more or less fair analogy. That is, you have it there four grand slams a year, We have two of these, respectively tournament, just like you. Basically, we have the winners are mostly the same people, only you have them there, well, there sometimes two, sometimes one. We have a lot there years, basically, just plus or minus one. That means Magnus wins a lot. So, roughly speaking, we, uh, I I thought he had won at the moment, I think more than half of all those played. Well, here they are very strong, these world champions Rapid Blis, they are from the sharashka here a tournament where all the best play, they turned into 2014. From here on moment, in my opinion, he won more half. This is huge. That is, that is, this is Yes, this is just nonsense, as if. And this is how it turns out, Do you have a mesh or how do you do it? Table, that's when you come to World Championship, she is one or the other, or by blitz. How the Olympics is created system? No, it works like a Swiss. That is This whole crowd of people plays one tournament. This is a bark. This Yes, yes, yes, it's a bark. This is the whole crowd of people plays one tournament. And you, accordingly, well, the Swiss system, You can google how it works there, because, roughly speaking, it plays there 200 people in nine rounds. Well, there's a draw going on there. So, what are you, If you ask me to explain, you will explain it every time you will play with the person who like there are already so many points. That is, there are two leader, for example, if you and I equal number of points and everyone else has less, We will always play with each other. Understood. By the way, when I won, I actually In fact, what's lucky is that, well, I didn't do it nothing bad. By the way, I am a scourge of fate I won in the most stupid one manner. This is mine in terms of creativity that's the least spectacular one in general spectacular tournament. There's just nothing there. I did it as if I was just sitting and that's it I took it with stupidity. But I was just lucky, that Magnus lost the first two, and then It's very hard to catch up. That is, he was there for the entire tournament. I was catching up and here it is. Well, as for me, since I haven't lost a single one I just picked up whatever was lying around. carefully. So in the end he didn't catch up, and I don't think I had to. We played In this tournament, we played a draw, but we played in a situation where we already as if he had to win, he was in the role of catch-up. That is, we have it more often On the contrary, he just takes off from the start to the leaders, you play with him somewhere, well and It's not clear what you want from him global. That is, well, it seems like nothing good result, but then it remains on the first. Yes, you can try it. beat and, well, you have to try, but most often it ends with him wins and basically, well, we've tried many, but it usually ended up like this the same. That is roughly the same as with us to some extent. Yes, yes, yes. And approximately how long does it take? tournament? This is not approximate, I can just tell you to say for sure. That is five in total. game days of the World Rapid Championship Chess takes 3 days. Three game days blitz in 2 days. And how many matches a day? Do you play speed chess? You are playing plus or minus five a day, I think there 5pfour we started playing something now such. Well, it turns out to be so serious load under each snort. That is to say, it is straight, Well, that is, you need to be physically present ready, and mentally. So, by the way, you are here, by the way, Interesting topic, we can talk about it now and then discuss, but but but in general it is necessary, yes, You play blitz for 2 days, like, in my opinion, that we played like 21 rounds in 2 days usually something like 12.9, probably, what is it. But returning, by the way, to the physical preparation, so this is, by the way, Cool. How important is it? Yes No, she, well, I don't know how much she is is important. Presumably she is very important. But what I mean is that, let's say, we have guys in the top 10 there, by the way, mom is not grieve. That is, we don’t talk about it like that. they say, but some Magnus there, well, not only Magnus, but there are a lot of guys there, that is just animals. Listen, we have this such a guy on Derbek Abdusatovarov, my such a good friend. Here he is I'm just 16 or 17 years old there world champion in rapid chess too. And so he works very hard. Well, how is it? well, there's just a person, well, he has the form is there, well, I just know how it is there people from the special services are training there, but it's just a man in uniform over there good special forces. Yes. That is, in the sense of simply man, he just comes into the hall, and he maybe you just have to run there for 30 minutes I mean run, run, run on a record in the sense of and and what after that He goes to the barbell, that's where everything else is. just for now, whatever Yes, that's why I understood you. And here's about it teams, that is, I said about it physical fitness, probably for some There may be a fitness trainer. How This is what the team consists of chess player? How many people work at Listen, the chess player's team is very strong Depends on the chess player. That is, someone has It consists of five people, some of whom from scratch. For example, you have For me it also depends a lot on uh Well, for example, now we play less often, yes, That is, I started playing in strong tournaments. less. That is, the team, as a rule, needed to reach the peak right there an important, strong tournament. If you have unexpectedly there aren't many such tournaments, then there is, roughly speaking, Gale, if we carry out analogy, I don't really need a team. I I'll sit there for 2 weeks, everything's fine there would be. Yes. big for the championship peace you are preparing with the team. I'm also preparing for the World Championships myself, but you are very prepared with there is no team. Well, the World Cup is uh You seem to be rightly laughing, but I I'm trying to explain to you. That is to say, after all The World Championship is fast chess and blitz. There are hardly anyone better than me there. understands the specifics. It's all the same as if The main thing for me is that I know when he will be there I'm six months old. I'm there thinking about it, I maybe that's why I play them well, by the way historically, that's what I'm starting to think about him. It's always at the end of December, in the very at the end. That is, usually we are just us Whether we'll make it home for New Year's or not. Here. That is, you usually have flight thirty the first one really every year from there. Here. And I start thinking about him there already there, well, at least as if with September. That is, I have something in advance, you know, put some idea aside, I I think: "Aha, this is me, let it lie there, I'll play it there." And here's the thing when not, but first of all, when these long classic tournaments, here these are grueling, where there are parties of 6-7 hours, here they are, if it's important, and to this Of course, it's very difficult to prepare alone hard. And this is what a team is needed for. For this I, for example, also have my sport, well, for me, in In principle, I like sports there, but I, Of course, I do in advance, that is, I because it’s clear from me that I’m not, how to say, not that there are a lot I weigh, Well and I also usually lose at tournaments, that is, I am filled, well, like, absolutely seriously. I did it specifically before I'm trying to gain weight through a tough tournament, because i know i'll lose it. Yes. I know, well, how would I know that if I'm just in a comfortable place there I'll come to the tournament in some fun way the moment is real, because I'm telling you explained about nutrition, that is, it is difficult for me manage to eat 3-3 times a day, there the body begins to gain weight, you I'm getting sick and I'm trying to do it in advance to dial so that, roughly speaking, there is something reset. Yes. That is to say, no, there are such things, but Honestly, Well, you have to understand, that is, again, we We're not oligarchs, we're probably, well, many of us can afford it, but, let's say so, without the obvious, well, benefit, yes, It's not clear why. That is, you are conditionally without Physio, you won't get far, right? Yes. And for us it’s, well, sort of, probably, It's necessary, but it's very difficult to follow here math, that is, as if it were not that I am not I will be able to play if I don't have any at all there will be a team. I can ride alone, prepare alone, play alone and at the same time sometimes even win tournaments. That is it's very difficult to be so speculative make sure you have a conditional statement there injury, yes, there and there for the third match there is no physio or anything. I need it I'm exaggerating, yes, that's not true. Well, look increases obviously, Yes, and it's absolutely obvious to you. We have It's not that obvious. That is, we have It happens that, for example, you have some coach, you seemed to have worked with him, but this By the way, you're starting to roll too. In general, you started playing worse or you It seems like he's talking some nonsense there. at all? That is how And you believe in it and do it and, like, Well, you and I are somehow the same in this sense, I think they are similar. You basically don't you believe, but at some point everything happens to you it will get so annoying that sometimes you you think, "Okay, like, I'm fed up with this, I'll just forget about it, I'll do everything like him said." In principle, it doesn't matter, it makes sense in this or not. I'll try. Yes, yes, yes, Just screw it, I'm fed up with it all. Yes, I can't do it my way there. Okay, if you want, I'll be like, approximately Boy, I'll do as they say. How the rule ends the same way approximately. So you don't understand why you did. Well, yes, there, that is, earlier I lost in my own way, now there is no in my own way. But in general, in this sense, not so professional looking sports. That is, we even have a regime on tournaments, people drink there, people smoke, people there some people are conditionally regimented, some are not regime, it works differently for everyone. There are a lot of these moods. That is, We don't have that, as far as I understand, in tennis, for example, you have the same plus and minus tournament routine. Yes, sure, Yes. As for me, for example, I don't have any at all. various tournaments. You can come, I I don’t even know how I’ll sleep there, For example. That is, when I go to bed, when to get up, that's how the tournament will go. U For example, it often happens to me, I really do By the way, I wanted to ask you how you are You fight this because I have it became a really big problem. I the only thing I notice about age is that the only thing I really feel, I'm not 17 anymore, really. the only thing. In short, it became harder for me fly. I had several emergency landings. I can't sleep at all airplanes. I've really gotten big the problem is that I really can't understand. That is, it’s like if I night flight, no matter the price, business, no business, I just can't do anything. So I can't sleep on the plane, and you then fly there, so to speak, somewhere there, say, at 2:00 pm, and you knocks out: "I can't help but lie down." Yes. And then you get up at 9:10 pm and say salaam. And it sounds strange, but it’s also true in reality, the entire tournament is going downhill, and already, well, everything is closed well there, you If you want to eat something, you're just there to live. you begin. That is I can't do anything at all. I don't I know, maybe it's Melton, but I'm kind of scared. I have to drink something and there are some things there there, pills. All. Did you have one like this? problem? Listen, I don't drink anything for this. I I can tolerate it very well. That is I know how to be patient. That is, roughly speaking, If you can't stand the meaning, you'll fly in and a tough flight, yes. I can, for example, not sleep. I'm very afraid of flying, for example. I I'm very afraid of flying. For me, an airplane is - It's always a lot of stress. Well, I do. There is honey, I can hardly stand the flight to in terms of emotion. That is me I'm really, really afraid. And let's say if some kind of heavy flight, and we're flying, for example, I don’t know, there’s something like Dubai LA, This is the most unpleasant res at 16:00. Yes. 12 days and I'm still nervous, I'm not losing my temper. Izduya flies out at 8 am. Here I am, I flew away to Dubai and New York, I never happened. Yes, I didn't sleep. That is, we are hiding in 12:00 and I'm patient. I have my own some things that I do for that, to endure and lie down normally, there, let's say at 8:00, at 9: at 10:00 pm first day. I try right there, Well, I mean, I'm not one of those I don't wear small, yes, there, life hacks sunglasses. Yes. Because I want sunshine, I try be outside all the time and not at all sit. That is, here we are constantly, if They arrived there with a team, I'm just like them I am hated for this very much because My Artyom is also always like that when arranged, he says: "I'll go and sleep." I say: "No, we'll go now. we start to go there conditionally into conditional Chipotle I don't know how long it's been, because what's there instead of getting there car, in five we go 30, because in this heat." That is, you're like, I'm like I'm torturing myself a little, but it's for me allows you to go to bed peacefully at 9:00. AND, for example, when my whole team, which during the day, if I didn’t torture them there, I slept, I'll wake up there peacefully, at 7:00 in the morning, let's say, well, in America it is more or less normal. AND at 7:00 am it's no longer a disaster. This is what It's scary at 4:00, yeah, when you close your eyes you open it, because you slept since 2:15, understand? Yes. Yes. There's some China there me too. And it’s very hard for me to go back in time, then There is when I fly to America, I really it's a hard time, that is, harder, let's say New York, these 6 hours, 7 hours, and time is given to me very quickly easily. That is, roughly speaking, in such difficult, uh, such difficult flights, if we plan, for example, now I I'm planning a trip to New York for the US Open, and I fly there for about a week, then there is, because you never know what might happen somehow Maybe it won't work, maybe I won't be able to stand it. There were times when I, you know, You sit, close your eyes, open them 4 hours It passed when I was very tired. And if this will happen, then I will start already Hell survival mode, I'm starting uh I have to endure it there for like 18 hours straight, there from 5:00 am to 10:00 pm. That is That's why we arrive early. And you? How? Let's say, how, how early Are you flying to the tournament and in what What countries do they usually take place in? Differently. But by the way, I am what you are you say in advance, that's where all this stuff is About Jetvac, I learned it through trial and error I concluded that, well, how would I, if somewhere I'll fly there in a week, to be honest, I'm there I just have time to go crazy. So I'm always like, "Yeah. "Okay, let's play." That is, I more than two free days. Well, somehow, that is, I'm either bored or vice versa It's like it's too good a place that you somehow already feel like you get ready for rest and somehow you become counterintuitive later work. That is, yeah, what if it's somehow cool place, you fly there somewhere Paris is there, I don't know, something, well, something, well, Paris isn't great, but no the essence. [laughter] So, uh, you're something there You're already walking, there's a croissant, it's all somehow then suddenly it starts strangely plow. And I, on the contrary, even in terms of I have jet lag, to be honest, it's, Probably not professional, but here is mine It's my comfort zone, oddly enough I like to arrive just at the right moment. Yes. What, like, I'm just conditionally e even with jet lag, Yes? That is to say, I’ll just fly in and Well, because JTW is like that again. fork, that as if JTWk in fact he I do because I have a lot of experience face-to-face play in China, we have a lot We played in China and there were a variety of tournaments there. I was actually in China probably once There are 10, maybe more. That is exactly it playing, well, you probably more, but I there are a lot of them for chess 10 and it's simple, that I as if I understood that in fact here in I don't have 2 days of jilt lag help. It is really possible to fly for a week, but excuse me, a week in China there like, well, sort of, but it's just there I I'll leave, ok, well, maybe the zhelak will pass, but there I was just blown away. Well, China too heterogeneous, and We played there in different places. That there is, well, somewhere nice in Shanghai It will probably be cool there in Beijing it will be fine in some, I don't I know if you know the city there, Ningbo, For example, heard. Well, that's not exactly what happens there. Nothing. Well, sort of, Yes. That is, it’s plus 50 there, that’s the south there. Yes, yes. That is, uh, I already do it more often. Okay, let's just fly there. We'll sit down to play the day before and tomorrow. And as if At least I like it then, that I don't need to switch, I don't I have time to tune in to this one, You know, nice vibe there, let's go We'll hang out there for a couple of days, have dinner, let's relax, Let's get ready and think about chess. This I have the same thing too. Well, to a lesser extent, to be honest, that is, but this often happens to me shock that suddenly oops and yes and in fact In fact, it's time to start playing. U, that is, I feel somehow comfortable on the contrary She flew in to go straight to work starts tomorrow. And in principle you don't I planned to enjoy the views here. Yes. That is, and I began to like it too. when I arrive, I don't have time to be upset that something is not me I arrived, did about 10 hits, an hour I played the next day and I started to succeed. That's how I won. There are so many tournaments, I'm not ready at all. I understand this perfectly. Yes. Yes. But not to America, if I fly to America, that is, I have one It's so funny that on the fifth, on the fourth This is the day I play worst. That's how it is. We, we just never thought about it. about this. And so we sat down, and I said: "Listen, speaking of which, when did we arrive? There in Australia and so far, Well, this is the peak, it seems like it's even some kind of There are studies that the fourth is Jetvaga peak, I think. This I think so, yeah, yeah. And we, like, you we found out that it is advisable to play on the fifth or on the sixth. That is, accordingly, when we fly somewhere far away, we We plan it so that the first game day occurred on the fifth or sixth day. And how If only this would somehow work for us, because if I fly to America for a day or two before the start, I just in the third set or in the fourth I just I'll move the horses there and that's it. I just have no amount of strength will be enough. No, I just I like the way you pour out the image. Yes, there the audience is probably not dissatisfied that Swede who's yelling obscenities there, he's on actually thinks in advance, there is a fourth one or I've been there for the fifth day. And tell me, By the way, I wonder if you have any some routine just in case you Don't like the place? Well, if there is any hole? This is also something that needs to be told. I remember this, that you told me in some way moment something some of yours to me I sent parties for an hour for about 30 minutes before going out on the court, I think there or something like that to me there because of mockery of something. Look at something, I I played the game, I think, hello there, and I I've already opened the broadcast, I understand that now the warm-up will start in 10 minutes. He's something, what is he doing there? at all? And he sends me there: “Look, there I kicked some homeless guy with horses there, like [laughter] ha-ha-ha", there type. No, well actually, here you have it Sometimes there is some kind of unsuccessful Asia. This is what you do if you are You can't go for a walk or you don't want to some kind of TV series? That's what you are you doing? I almost never go to tournaments where there is no I very rarely go to tournaments, because that they are all the same. I know where we are we're going. We have all the tournaments already have been carried out for decades. And we all have them we know. We know which hotels need it live in the ones you like and the ones you don't like. What am I doing? Listen, I'm whole I can lie down and watch TV series all day. I I just consume TV series there, conditionally, There are nine episodes of an hour each, I can watch them for day to do it. That means I can lie down. in one place, in principle, and in general binge-watch the series. I also carry with me computer. I'm playing on the computer at tournaments. By the way, I When I started driving, I started playing better, because You mean the whole setup without? Yes, I have it completely with a microphone, with the whole thing with the whole story, yes, that is, well, laptop, of course. Eh, and I've become much It's better to play, that is, because I I get distracted and don't think about tennis, that is in general, that is, I don’t analyze anything, that is, I don’t think about it at all this, because when when when you you need to grab the machine gun and run somewhere there, you don't think about that you have to play tomorrow. But still as if I choose a tournament that I I know, maybe I don't really like it, but there is a good chance of winning or, let's say, I have a good one an offer from the tournament for me to come. Well, now tell me, for example, I wonder if you played there at all. conditionally to the state? Well, these are conditionally, Well, these are my favorite tournaments. You have 50 there are some where you don't really belong like? You eat because, well, He's really there in the rating, you know, tournament I don't go, I don't mean I'm not with you. The most disliked tournament there for 2 years this year is the most some kind of one, It's probably Winston Saleem in America. I I haven't played it since 1919 or there since the twentieth, but it's a nightmare. That is, it is a rough game city where Winston cigarettes are made. Yes. And that is to say, it smells disgusting there. That is to say, it is a nightmare city. There there nothing to do. And I don't go there. It was Newport, the city, the tournament I'm at played two finals, two semi-finals or there's something like that there. I hated it place. I went there before in 2020. in the first and second years for the sake of ratings, yes. And so, these tournaments are 250, small chamber tournaments are my thing the most favorite tournaments. That is, it is there. Conditionally, cooking is a dream come true. That there is, like, this mountain area, nothing there. We are sitting in the hotel there, I always go there I take, I try to take the family. That is us like, like, you know, like on a small one on vacation and that's why there are tournaments when I travel and I feel like I'm riding on rest, the best tournaments for me. Yes. So when I'm driving like, "Oh, my God, what a wonderful place. I'll rest and sit there. at the hotel, at the hotel, I'll hang out there." A Besides the slams, here are some tournaments are perceived as super work? masters all or not all big tournaments are perceived as superbot because Well, the big tournaments are slams and Masters like you Yes, big tuni helmets are considered masters Yes, they are all accepted to work First of all, they are two weeks old. you prepare for them, you understand that you will have rivals immediately, then you have it, that is, roughly speaking, you have it the first circle is immediately with the person who, Most likely, it costs about thirty there from the third to the sixtieth, who won the match against thirty third and sixty, that is, well, there What kind of cat do we have there? Let it be 70, then there are, and of course, not two-week ones, then if you start, it turns out to be a day in advance During the day, for some reason, you played, pause, training and played. That is to say, it is very long, hard. That is, for example, for me, there are always problems with these tournaments historical. That is to say, I am the best I play in small chamber tournaments, When There are no problems with training. I can in I can train any time where I am Want. The scariest tournament is this combined tournaments, because there In chat, the girls also take part time. That is, we are like this for me It's a lot of stress. And I am the most important thing, what I don't like for me is when I don't know schedules. That is, for all the little ones I know the schedule for 250-500 tournaments. They tell me roughly when I will play. Plus or minus, if I know what I have There will be a match there, all the matches, if I get there before the final, it's around 3 pm, I can But for me, by the way, this is like madness. I've always sounded in tennis, I generally I didn't understand what you meant by not Do you know what time the match will be? No, well, I I understand, maybe I'm pestering you here You may not know the evening before the match. No, I understand. No, I understand that you You might not know at all before the match, but you play for them, yes, but somehow How long will they play, you don't You know. No, I understand, but just for It sounds like some kind of surrealism to me, Yes. Somehow I have a whole party of three. I I don't know what it means, it's not that I came at three and such, maybe at three, or maybe at 7: This always somehow shocked me. We had this, I'll tell you a story, It turns out we had one, so we went to the state we were sitting, playing the semi-final, we arrived, The match should be at 11:30, I think. Accordingly, I arrived there at 9:00, that is, because I need to warm up, eat, warm up before the court, warm up on court, get off the court, and eat something too be on time. That is, roughly speaking, I'm already there At 8:39 I was already on the courts. Yes. And it turns out it started raining and we just We sat there until, I think, 6:00 or 7:00 evenings. there on the courts. And they are on every time they postponed it for half an hour because it was raining stopped dripping. They were cleaning the court and They said: "We're leaving in half an hour." We they began to warm up and stretch. They they said: "Oh, it started raining and we're back again sat down." Well, it's more or less working, yes, I am That's what I understand. That is, in principle, This It happens, yes, compare comparatively Often, yes. In this regard, we have, as it were, that's how it is that you can't help but know, and it happens that Well, but conditionally on the helmet, that's if not the weather, but at least you know, Yes, you know what court you're playing on. and for whom, right? That is you No, we always know the courts. Who are we for? we always know, but we know it conditionally 9:00 pm per day. That is, roughly speaking, the match in the second at 9:00 p.m. you can be put on duty at 10:00 am, Certainly. Or they can put it on at 9:00 pm, yes. That is, you, well, It's clear, the better the player and the higher the sowing, the more you can good for No, you can just ask, you can just ask. That is, for example, me asked for a match there at 4 or there at 5:00, They say, "Yes, we have a TV slot. and that's it." And I say: "Can I go there?" They They say: "Yes, you can." Because I, Roughly speaking, the main headliner there tournament, let's call it that. Or me the tournament paid for me to come, if they want to use me the maximum so that I feel comfortable. That That's exactly why I play best. at small tournaments because my the level doesn't allow me to be, well, that's it that's the main thing. Well, that's clear, Yes. That is, it’s not even a matter of attention, it's all about these little things that are very are important. That is, roughly speaking, I am going to tournament and I know that I have a match every day at 6:00 and I'm getting ready for what I at 6:00 pm, so I can say, I'm adjusting my routine somehow. That is to say, I don't I'll go to bed, yes, there at 11:00 or there at 10:00 to get up at 8:00 morning. And what will I do when I'm in 6:00 am I playing? I need, roughly speaking, adjust so that I, so that my peak my energy was at 6:00 pm. That is and these tournaments are historically the best. That is, when I know in advance, well, plus or minus, yes, there are 6, in 4, that is it's not that important. Now if it's 2 o'clock there, it's scary either at 11:00 or at 6:00, it's hard. But I don't play at big tournaments. such a great athlete there, yes, so that my opinion is taken into account at Grand Slam tournaments. It's like this with you, By the way, do you have something like this? Can you ask me for something? Here you are, by the way just when I was talking about chamber tournaments, I thought that we probably have in some ways it's a little bit the opposite, that is, us, well, I mean, that is, here these elite tournaments, they are usually closed, yes, that is There are few people playing there. You as a consequence, If you play him, you're a little under microscope. By the way, I feel the opposite. I always liked it when there was a crowd people, that is, this world championship, we play conditionally, well, they play there, yes, All the best in the world play there, but that's exactly it, that is, there are a lot of us there too Magnus is good, they're after him they are watching. There, yes, he brings them there. these Norwegians there, that is, they go with camera, but I don't have any There are no media obligations, nothing. That I don't have anywhere to go. For me it's the opposite. I kind of like it, especially if it's cool place. Overall, it's super. So you went I went for a ride there in the evening. Well, here we are Now, for example, they played in New York. Well, I didn't really like it, but whatever doesn't matter. I just mean that in Basically, I've freed everything. Can go for a walk around New York, you can What to do in the first half of the day, what to do Do you want to go to New York? Uh, and how about when? You play these closed ones, yes, of course, that is, they will always be there they will ask you to come in advance, there They film you coming in, you need to go through some kind of course there security guard, you'll have these later interview, you still have these interviews there mandatory, right? That is, we have, for example, this, well, it’s not that it’s not, well, here it is again, that is, where you are you sign these contracts, that's where there are few people, theoretically you you sign that, yes, you always have to be ready. But, by the way, we have ethics this is it. This is interesting, by the way. difference. By the way, we have discussed more than once with chess players it's about tennis, which for us unusual. We certainly have absolute ethics, which, in principle, Don't touch the loser. Well, that is to say, he according to the contract, as if he should, if it asks for an interview, he should agree. But we have it nine times out of ten will not tell him anything, and on the tenth he can say: "Damn, "Leave me alone." They will tell him: "Okay." That is, we have these There are no losers' press conferences. Although actually, looking at tennis, I have to I'd probably rather say that like. So the winners do all the talking. more or less the same thing. Look at the loser, yes, that's all happy families are similar to each other kaksix Hall, that is, Yes. But I don't know, it doesn't matter to me incredibly cruel. That is, I am really me I can't imagine, well, let's say there how Signer comes out after this final and there goes this press conference. Not, Well, I understand that the fee is good money for It's okay, we won't do it I regret it too much, but it's simple It's strange to me as a human being. Come on, come on to him. But he, but, but he was obviously crying. there will be locker rooms, right? There. And tell me a little bit about the emotions in chess, what do you share with them? for sure. Well, I looked on the internet, when I was preparing a little. There is no video, where the chess player, having made a wrong move, and realizes that he did something wrong move, breaks the board on the table and sees and throws mines. It's funny that it's even Now we have a video that has gone viral, like Magnus loses to the new champion. Gukha's world is at home, and he is there, yes, like, vi, yes, well, this is it, that is, this maximum maximum. What does this have to do with me? Didn't understand. Well, here we are with you on this we look at it the same way, right? Well, it started. a bit of a boy. Well, like, I don't at all I realized why they made such a big deal out of it. Well this is right there for the thousandth time like someone I did so. That's how they presented it. ABOUT, oh my god. Magnus punched on the table. No, well, I've seen people swear. They were yelling there after that. There you would, He probably lit a cigarette and then, well, he hit me with a fist there. Well, okay, it happens there, It's OK. Uh, how are you even straight? Interesting. This is a very interesting topic. How here, that is, I have never seen here, except for punches and swearing, which There is, of course, on YouTube, so that a person really there, that is, well, no I know, I got angry at my opponent there or grabbed these chess pieces, threw them there. No, no, no, well, he grabbed the chess, that's it it just doesn't come to mind. You when you're angry, you have it too some script, how angry are you, huh? You You can break your racket there, but you won't comes to mind there, well, I don't know, grab a ball boy there, well, conditionally, yes, Yes, yes, there is something like that, yes. You you don't you start hitting, for example, with your fist there refrigerator. You kind of could, but you just have a different script, Yes, exactly for anger. In principle, we have no either. Well, just throw it somehow It's strange for people to talk to each other with a board presented. It happened to me too, and it was already during the game that it started and as if it happened more than once that there was someone there I made a remark to someone, are you there? started up. That is, here we have it, actually in fact, especially in blitz, nerves are still there exposed. That is to say, there really is a lot there A quick reaction is needed, right? You're like more, your psyche is overclocked, you are like you would have been initially turned on. And it is blitz we actually have it conflict, because it is, in principle, contributes to the emergence of such micro-conflict situations on this topic ethics. Yes. That is, like this, conditionally, you have Medvedev likes it there, yes, there's something there you're happy there, yeah, there when there is some kind of case, here we have it the same, whoever corrected the figure there, no I fixed it, I somehow pressed the clock too hard there don't hit them there or hit them, then there is this there is this. A, Well, you're still sitting in the immediate vicinity. proximity to each other, that is, roughly speaking, maybe, Well, it somehow doesn't occur to us that right now, I have to say this, how Are you going to go to the toilet now or somewhere there, yes, there on the podium, well, Somehow no, but in fact it does. I I wouldn't say that, by the way, that we calm. That is, we simply have, This is probably how the broadcasts are organized, what is it, well, maybe it's not so noticeable there All. Yes. But in principle, yes. No, definitely people people start arguing and and people swear quite a lot in terms of, what exactly is holding back emotions, again, To be honest, it seems to me that no one does not hold back. We just have you, well, You play in front of twenty cameras, and I under one. I think that's just why not that one. That is, conditionally the same, even if take Magnus, well, excuse me, here They just posted this. Okay, he is. He hit the table with his fist. And he already is really hit when, well, okay, he, Firstly, he's been sitting there playing for so long now his party, he just hit and gave up. A I, for example, remember, I played there World Blitz Championship in Berlin, where he just started yelling during the game swearing in Norwegian. And no, well there the skating continued, he was there, well, just I made a bad move, sort of made it, beginning of ra No, well, no, well, just no, well, that's it. It's really weird. That means you can do it yourself imagine, but you sit, you play there's a party there too, you have like 10 there seconds, you think and then from somewhere there is a scream. Well, yes, like, well, it's kind of weird, but here For example, by the way, I didn't have this. It seems to me that this is our upbringing. I'm certainly wild in general, but I I'll always wait until I get to my number. Yes. That is, I will go there. can-nibusconference, if necessary, I I'll say: "Yes, yes, he played better there, Well done, deservedly won." And here it is as soon as the door to the room closes, there it is Let's go. Yes. As if, that is, of course, I don’t know, we We're going crazy, it seems to me, absolutely everyone. This, you know, is the last meme I'll tell you. I'll tell you about this, that it's wild, that's about You were just asking about online chess and didn't I know that they sort of swear here. We're arguing. Sometimes we're arguing. Can. What does simply very mean? It's funny that we play, even when These are the very same online cash tournaments that we We're sitting on Zoom, and they're breaking us up there, so to speak. There are 200-250 people there, 300 of them are defeating us for some number of zoomcalls, yes, that's it these types of rooms. Well, which ones, yeah, well, that is, here I am, sitting, In short, there are 35 people sitting there on the call, conditionally, and you Well, first of all, it's initially funny. That is, there is someone there says there: "Lena, close the door." There something like that there. Well, [laughter] uh, uh, That's okay, but the funniest thing is that you're just playing a game, so to speak, there 10 minutes each, uh, and well, everyone plays a game 10 minutes each, and everyone has this party starts at the same time. AND, obviously the most dramatic events happen at the end. And like, and there and the problem is that I just couldn't somehow understand what's best for me, because If you turn off the sound, you can turn it off sound, but I don't hear the sound of the moves then like czema, and I like it too knocks out the brain. It's like imagine that you If you were playing tennis in Perushak, you would I didn't hear the ball flying there. That There is something strange too. Here. I ended up I'll leave it, but then you hear, there are 35 man, and there it is all there, Lena, okay. But the funniest thing is that in in the end, you know, it remains there like 20 seconds, some kind of crucial moment. You're sitting there thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, something like 16-15, you already seem to be I chose a move, you think, yes, probably, move away, I'll double check now, there's something 108 se and then suddenly you have in the ears, yeah, it's like that, right there something like that. [laughter] And for the whole thing, you know, this zoom, you there you already shudder and just do it some random move. And no, this is really happening there, well, I don't I know, twice, then you start screaming, ah, well, approximately, yes, yes. That is there someone But this is actually logical. That Of course, everyone has this phase, it starts at the very end. That is, he has The same thing is happening to me. Here he is just made a mistake, he made a move on seconds, there he went into battle, the mouse did not I reported it and that's it, yeah, horror, Yes. And this, in general, is always funny. I I still think when they say what Great online and who's stopping you from doing well? play, well, damn, at least this, right? I mean, well, it's a completely different game. Well, yes, Yes, it's funny. You mentioned small elite tournaments, where there are few people that you like big ones. Tell me the number of tournaments in year and what do you call elite, here so that it would be strong, well, like this in simple words. What quantity elite tournaments, how many regular tournaments, how many are you How many tournaments do you play per year? Look, I don't think so. No. Well, first of all, we have elite tournaments, they, uh, closed, that is, they are by invitation. Ah, okay. Just like we used to do in tennis was, Yes? That is, you have, roughly speaking, now everyone there conditionally thinks that you there's a great guy there, Sasha Bublik, there They'll watch you, you're in the media and that's it. But, in principle, to show up or not I understand you can show up just to write it out. You are the only one here You can ask for a card, yes, I will Understand. But Yes, if I forgot to show up, Yes, but in principle you are applying specifically there thanks to the rating. It's my decision, yes. Yeah, but I mean they don't even tell you can't interfere. No. Yes. And for us it works like this: on the contrary, that it is some kind of closed thing and, well, whatever they call whoever they want. OK? So you can be fifth in the world, but In principle, they have every right to you don't call. Moreover, you can do it to them. write what you would like to play and they they might politely tell you that there, well, there OK, the team is assembled. Understood. So, accordingly, in this connection there, Obviously, for obvious reasons, the Russians Now they started playing less elite tournaments, that is, and because they are in Europe in basically. That is, now we have become play a lot comparatively in Asia. In Asia It's normal for us, that is, China, India is conditional there, but still all these elite tournaments are mainly in Europe and America. I can't say, by the way, that I was a real fan. That is to me that's exactly where the quality of life is, I can't say that it fell sharply because of this. Here. And opans are just tournaments where Anyone can apply. That is it it's not closed, it's right here, that's why it's there It's called. Anyone can apply, Magnus might show up, maybe more or less you show up. If you are our Levitov Ches. Well, yes, Yes, yes, friends. Sasha, this is chess. They represent the chess team, yes. AND This is exactly what I like. That is This is in terms of, well, sports for me always seemed cooler. That's why I I really love these World Cups on Rapid and Blitz. This is him too, he just very strong. But this always happens to me It seemed like this was the coolest thing. No, there are no waukards, nothing. Anyone can just sit down. This is very a short path, so to speak. No need for that. go through some kind of multi-stage selection. Magnus is playing in this tournament. Here, sit down. In 3 days you can become world champion. That's it, don't need this one. There is a 2-year selection process. Here, sit down, here it is. your chance. All these people They came together so that you could beat them. Everything seems to be moving forward. He is, in principle, he is This is the system by which it works. And they are to me too at the level, Well, psychologically I like them better. That is, these are tournaments where, firstly, You need to win a lot of games. That is exactly where the stupidity lies. there is no big point in taking you, because which doesn't give this guy anything. That is, if in an elite round robin tournament to win two and make seven draws, that's a brilliant result, then in the open - this is just a failure. That is, in the open there You need to win at least nine games five and four draws to do. Everyone is playing more aggressively, taking risks, they make mistakes and it becomes interesting. And me too, Of course, this is more suitable, yes, that Let's at least wave, but unfortunately, on average it's less than that they pay. I understand. We have some moment, I'm here I also thought it was funny, it seems like, well, we still have some kind of the redistribution of money took place a little bit in chess, that we somehow They've gotten a little spoiled lately. I I really pay attention, that is, to me now, conditionally, with my rating, it seems Why would it be madness to go to these experiences? Although I generally remember that in general I I used to go with the same rating and somehow it seemed normal. That is, I don’t know either, you were driving there some first prize there is 25,000 dollars you thought: "Well, cool, like I'll go and fight." Now you're thinking in general, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, just why is this necessary? But yes, that's how it is energy, they are better, and closed ones are better these tournaments, well, there are a lot of them, uh, are carried out by a wide variety of people, that is, there, Well, some patrons come and get involved. some new sponsors, they begin to carry out. That is OK. OK. When you told me about that you can help each other, conditionally the fifth can help the second in team, then, when they have an important match, can this interfere with one or the other become a world champion or become like thanks to some great chess player because he helped then and that knows his weaknesses? And does it happen? do you like this? Well, listen, well maybe, but maybe not. That there is this So you don't think about it? Well, in detail, it seems to me, no, well, then It just depends on who it is, it seems to me who's smarter, who's more cunning, who's better adapts. Well, for example, here we have, There is a famous story. Here we have it the fourteenth world champion Kramnik assisted the thirteenth world champion Kasparov in preparation for the match there by someone there. Even though Kramnik was already there in the world, like, well, definitely in the top five. AND This looked strange to people that It's like the opposite, you're not for chess players. and I say that it seems like you kind of caved in, Yes, it seems like you yourself are ambitious, but that one in in the end, I looked at Kasparov on the contrary and I just defeated him later. That is very got to know him well and, apparently, more for I carried myself out. For example, with Magnus also dynamics, I can't say that There is probably, but it's definitely not for me got worse. That is, it seems to me, extremely extremely individual. OK. That is, as I would ask you, what do you think if, for example, you are there you'll start springing there constantly Sinner or Alcaraz, as it is called will affect regarding A we don't do that, Yes? Well, just what if, then how would it be? did it influence? Who is worse off or better off there? Well, who knows really. Well, you see, in this regard, we have it like this so that people don't share and communicate. That there are even conditionally ones that can be there to be called close, or comrades, friends, tennis topics, they are kind of taboo, roughly speaking. Well, that is, you are with Medvedev. you will never be there conditionally discuss. That is, I am to a lesser extent me he is not a competitor. That is, globally not at a 250 or 500 tournament or maybe even 1,000, and at a Grand Slam tournament, in the grand slam final, I don't tell him competitor, so he can be with me maybe I have something to share, but, let's say I won't share with someone who I am a direct competitor in those tournaments, that are important to me and they won't here that is, in principle, the question is there, and How does he play? It's more or less the same for us, Yes? And how does he play there or something? what to do with it? That is, sometimes it happens the juniors who come there, you know, We played for a year or two, and then it came to me the man says: "Listen," he says, "and "How to play with him?" And you kind of look, It's not like that's not customary here. And here it is that's kind of why talk about the fact that I even when I changed the racket, people who Very few of the top ones suited me came up. It happened like that, you know, timidly They asked there: "What kind of strings are there? there? Well, because, you know, I changed racket, began to play very well, show good results", and people We started out so, you know, timidly. That is, You know, well, they're not the ones who answer this question a little bit. such, Yes? I'll tell you a story. This It turns out it was the twenty-fourth year. This is the first time I've entered the top twenty, I think it was the nineteenth. We wanted to become higher. I had a chance, I think, here I was seventeenth at most. Here you have I had a chance, I needed it there I think I'd score 250 points or something. in this way and become the seventeenth. And at I had problems. I played natural a string made from excess veins at all. That is, it is a natural country, which reacts to everything. That is, on humidity, on absolutely everything. Heat, cold, nightmare. And I was sitting in Monte Carlo, I lost in the first round because defeat and Novak is in jail. And Novyk is a genius in all this. I say, "Novyk, listen," I say, but here Well, we can't, yes, ask such a thing, because I am not his competitor. I speak: "Listen, what's wrong with the strings?" He says: "Well, he started telling me, In general, this is what needs to be done. You try this, you try this, you stretch this way, you will get the ball." In general, start telling the subtleties. AND I won't give my last name later a man, a man came up to me level and asked: "What did he tell you?" I say, "Well, you know, I understand that "It's probably somehow unethical." And he at the place he says: "What did he tell you?" Yes. I'm like, "Well, he told me this. this." He says: "And also, and also." That there is, as it were, because there is Novak in me I am not a competitor, I am not his competitor. A he would never do this to this person in his life he said because it was his, like, direct competitor who that's not it. I understand, that is, I even felt similar to Magnus, that I am initially, after all, since I I played there three ranks weaker, I I managed to ask him about the guys from elite. And then when I started playing the weakest of all, there are conditionally two categories and I also started playing with people from the elite Of course, I need this advice a lot helped. Yes. Me too. That is, when I have tops They advise, it helps me, but the person level, let's say, top 20, where I am I'm standing there and what tournaments do I win? those with whom I compete there, that's it there let there be a range of titles, there, no I know, from four to ten, these ones guys, yes, We won't, yeah, that's a big deal to scatter and tell. That is and Sometimes Artyom even tells me that don't talk to him, you don't have to, you know, I I love him, I love him, yes, let's say, I do I really like it, I get it in it's a pleasure, but Artyom tells me: "Stop, Sanya, that's it, go, that's enough for him. what you tell him." Or there, and I saw the same thing when we were sitting with someone, someone tells me, and here the coach says: "Okay, let's go, let's go, "Enough." Because anyway, we all people, and we still kind of respect We treat each other like that. And sometimes you want to help. And sometimes they helped me a lot, I see, some kind of legends, yes, there, maybe there's something like the Wall there or The same Dani told me something. That is some people who have achieved, well, incredible success compared to me. Of course, I sit and remain silent. Yes. And you listen, that is, as if because this is interesting. Yes, we have the same. Yes. Dan, thank you for talking. Thank you for inviting me. 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