PONKRASHOW: Igor Kudelin

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Hello everyone, subscribers of the First channel Red. Anton Pankrashovka is with you. Pancrashow. And today we have super legendary guest, nine-time champion of Russia, and silver medalist World Championship, bronze medalist European Championship, Honored Master sports, and one could even say, a person, which I watched as a child videotapes and grew up on his game, Igor Kudelin. Hello, Antokha. Hello, Igor. In fact In fact, we have been negotiating for a long time now. about this podcast. Finally it is All and with the support of First Red it was possible bring to life. Ah, listen, I, First of all, I want to say some words to you thanks, and, for that, uh, first of all, what did you give to the game? Uh, when I was getting ready to the podcast, a lot of information, when you type in Igor Udelin, and then we We'll discuss this with you. And not about Igor appetizing, and about him, well, let's say this way, end of career. Do you understand what it's about? I? But more about that later. When I was ae little, ah-ah, that means it's the first time I saw your game, uh, I was at home VIDEO, uh, there were CSKA games on the VIDEO, I I saw you in action. And you know, uh, but now with age, I It seems like you were ahead of your time, namely by playing style. That is, so to speak, everything is heading in that direction now they come and talk about everything three-pointer, about the style of play, and he already then you had it. And it works out for me too now it seems that not everyone was there ready for this style of play. Well, that's it. time, you know? That is, some and and In this way you won the hearts of people. That's what I'm getting at. [snorts] Uh, I'm shocked. That I am very glad that I am what I am now opposite you. Let's. It's important to me tell your story and it's important in your language example, uh, to make it clear to the young people uh that there are, uh, moments for both failures and for growth. In general, we'll talk about everything, your development. Tell me, please, How did you get into basketball, how is it appeared in your life. Well, I won't give any advice there. there for young aspiring players, because what is it for them every young basketball player he has his own coach whom he trusts, and he, as a father, should lead him there future victories and successes. How I got into basketball? This is probably a good impetus for there heads of some enterprises or city government leaders, when there is one in your hometown professional team. AND, accordingly, we are not talking about any Jordans At that time they didn't know about the MJs and Johnsons. AND for us the stars were those men who represented honor basketball team, there are cities Taganrog. And there was another joke like that. Well For those who know history, I was the first one there. The professional team is Red Boilermaker. And sometimes the men would joke: "Yes We, he says, are the first there, like in the NBA, Red Boiler Taganrok". Yes. Here. Well, accordingly, then came newspaper clippings, and we they have already begun to look up to our future stars. This is Myshkin, Sabonis, Khomichus, Tarakanov, that is, what we managed to do watch on Soviet television. Wait, well, I mean, you have it. Here we have my generation, yes, we are on the wall we hung up posters, that is, when we In general, my most important memories are From childhood - this is a children's camp. And we have There is always competition between children. And mine first coach Gennady Sanovich Ponyutin, uh, after every shift or, in my opinion, there, well, some cycle of highlighting the best, Whoever scored the most points was given a prize. And it was a magazine, or it was a poster big. I had some hanging on my wall there. several large posters. Michael flying, and, in my opinion, someone has it there Barkley was there. Well, it doesn't matter, but it's mine. memory. You have newspaper clippings. Barkley vs. Godzilla, probably. Here That's how it is, yes. But it's like this I have this so much in my heart memory, that is, and you It turns out that you cut it out of the newspapers what are the stories or Well, if Izvestia or Sovetsky Sport are there I was printing some photo, where is it? Tkachenko is against Sobony Soborets, but this is there was only one photograph there, let it be black and white, she would show up there and stick, yeah, in a drawing album. Next came a Russian car, a Russian one. hockey five. Well, and somewhere there, miraculously, upon delivery I found waste paper there at Sport and I have There was also a photo of Manchester United. Wow. That is, ah, but look, ah your childhood, that is, well, of course, in Everyone plays football in the yard in winter hockey, and then basketball appeared. Well, especially Taganrok. Well, okay, I guess. Red Boilermaker team, but still as if football were more popular, rather than a basketball. Football was popular. We came after basketball lessons and just took a soccer ball and kicked around soccer between trees. I grew up, uh, well, not in a big one. house in the yard, and I grew up on, like, street in a private sector. AND, accordingly, there's a whistle We had a certain signal. There in the boys went out for a walk after school and what did you do it? They carried trees or played football? Well, it's the same as usual, Yes. We also had a team in our city. Ogonrog torpedo. And that's why uh we attended both basketball games and football. And now I can say that in 15 years, having some success there there, well, and in basketball and winning there everything in football is about schoolchildren, Mom was so familiar with there the head of the football team, what do I need offered to sign a contract. That is, Igor Kudilin had a choice to go football or basketball? Yes. What if Beremen hadn't invited me? at that time in the USSR junior team, I probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but stayed play in the second league. Listen, well, it turns out that a Don't you think that then in in your time is actually very important to you what distinguished the generation? What you were versatile, that is, there was hockey, football, well, that is, we did everything contract? It was not like you just You're designed for basketball, you're a basketball player. No, you grow up there in a big city, in a small town, everything that is, in what your guys are playing, you are playing with them you burst in. Yes. Yes. That's what the coach said, that's it basketball players, they can, they should be able to play everything. in everything. Because, he says, neither the football players nor hockey players, well, won't be able to repeat it Now. Uh, well, there's a new generation, which comes after us, your generation, next, they, of course, too, I follow and for hockey and football, versatile warm-ups and many trainers they use, well, our sport is there too as preparation for the games. Well, that's actually In fact, firstly, the specifics are different. Secondly, it's always fun here I am now I coach the Dogs team. And I have it there too Sometimes volleyball training. Well, You work with the Dogs. And Work with the dogs, [laughter] Yes. And it turns out that we come into the hall, There are volleyball players training in front of us and uh, it's really interesting, that is, things like this: "Let's leave the net for, well, half an hour "Warm-ups in volleyball". Well, of course, you can spy on something. there's something interesting there, Yes? And, well, this is again, first of all, uh, you He said correctly that versatile - this is already an interesting person who can play different sports. This once communications, because it’s one thing, when you're in your element, like in a basketball court, Yes, everything is clear, there, dad, but when here you are thrown from a basketball to a volleyball, here other qualities come out. And people some people are completely incapable of, uh, and with their bodies they don't own it, and the coordination is different. Well that's it it's like for me, as a coach already It's interesting, well, just to see how People adapt, you know, for a different reason sports. Don't play vlebol with basketballs. not yet. Well, there is such a topic. Just a mesh you need to go lower and your team will be very sit well in a defensive stance. So. Well, and there is also thinking there as a plus. Everything is the same three touches, only everything with basketballs. Fine. So we have gradually moved on to tactical actions. And listen, when when did you feel like you had Are you starting to get good at basketball? [snorts] That is to say, it can’t be that You came to the trap and immediately started score. Well, I won't brag, but I'm a lot before even before basketball classes, just having attended the matches this men's team of ours, somewhere there stole a deflated ball, then my father cooked it I gave him a ring and hung it on the tree, threw from certain positions, imagining what it will be like later look on the court, well, on standard. And so the favorite spots were always not under 45, by the way. Favorite spots were under zero angle. Yes. And when I started to fit in there the team, they kept telling me: "Well, let's do it there." I can even tell you my nickname. there was a bocha because i was like that a plump boy on grandma's food. Here. And everyone there thought: "Well, what's the matter? when he comes, three out of ten will hit the target." And this is in the youth We didn't have balls in basketball back then. these threes, fives. We started right away from sevens, yes. Well, plus they were all rubber. This There was nothing but Kosk. Bulgarian pomu balls were koskai. Here. AND beat his peers. Well, I'm telling you about 9-10 years. Well, maybe something started to work out in 14, probably. that age when and The first Russian championships begin. Do you remember your first Russian Championship? I remember. You will tell. We lost. In it I became a champion, but not for my own team. So how did this happen? Oh, well, we lost the regional final. Volgograd. Yes. And the Volgograd coach, accordingly, asked the Taganor coach how Now you can, well, move out from the Southern Federal District. That's how I am ended up on a team with Anton Yudin. And here it is we won this USSR championship together, which took place in Chelyabinsk, I think, in the year eighty-six, when I was born or something in eighty-eight such. That is, it was A, well, and you, as it were, Was it a serious team at all? Well there Moscow, who are the competition competitors? were? Moscow-St. Petersburg, Well, as usual. Moscow, St. Petersburg, Sverdlovsk. Moscow, St. Petersburg, Sverdlovsk. Yes. Well, you It just seems to me that it doesn't matter right now The most difficult game was with Sverdlovsk. Oh, so you're also easy with everyone. did you play? Yes, yes, yes. Our game is like a river. it was leaking, so uh, and I was changing Anton Anton Yudina. We had him in the number one position there Sasha Gutora, who was not killed at that moment. Well, you have a good team already, three, three surnames already, which, well, at the highest They will play at that level later. Well, yes. And two centers. Uh, I'm right now, well, Mikhail Zapravdi and, In my opinion, Misha Bondarenko, well, they are like would not have gone further into professional basketball, but we are not only that, we are This team then won the first the stage of the USSR championship is already among, where were the Balts, where there were already two Peters. Ah, well, that is, you have, well, how would it be? level. Well, yes, and they would have turned out like this three people, exactly. Anton, uh, Anton Yudin, Sasha Gutrov and I, we received already called up to the USSR national team then junior. Well, anyway, go ahead. You just don't need everything, I guess subscribers even understand about that the USSR team, getting there- This is already a mega level, because the selection was, uh, well, probably super serious. There there were Georgians. The one who is currently following Tornike Shengely. His dad was in our team. Kakha Shengeli. It was unkillable central. Are they similar in style at all? No, he played more downstairs. He was like that, Well, I don't know who to compare it to. WITH Reynolds is probably out now modern players who play. I understand. That is, just so healthy, powerful, which was very difficult hold, probably. And it’s difficult to hold, and if something happens, then immediately in pack. There was a fight going on there seconds. Yes. Yes. [clears throat] A wait, is it a fight with your opponents? Rivals, yes, of course. Well, here goes They are big in training with each other they quarreled often, but somehow So. Wait, stop. How old are you? It was years ago that you started a fight there? Well, 161 years. 16 years old. And you tell it in an interesting way, how is it, that is, relatively speaking, on it they're doing something harshly or saying something and right away right away this Well, yes. There is an accent of Russian swearing and Georgian a phrase and that's all. And then we flew on fists. So, well now in the new format there right away disqualified, but then how were they punished? They just gave it to me for technical reasons and continued play. Well, we got into a fight with the Spaniards. stopped. Here we are before the championship The world also played for youth. That is the game was simply stopped. And there it’s just team against team. Direct team to team. It all began under the ring. There is such a famous one there Felippa Reis. Here Alfonze Reis played his brother. Yeah. You played against Philip, and I played against his older brother Alphonse. Well, that's it, team against team. That is, they hit there dirty, yes, and answer. He struck dirty again without thinking. If the judges don't see it, then we treat it. ourselves. And well, here we go. Team game, yes, team to team. All. Well that would be friendly match. Well, that's all stopped. Plus, well, Eremin is always He knew how to extinguish these emotions there. Well, it turns out that no, it's a fight. there was a team against a team. Well, anything can happen. Now you look, of course, when the judges run there to look, We are looking at the fact of possible violence. Well, this has never happened before. It wasn't like that before, no. It was a deliberate foul and that's it. AND or disqualification. Or disqualification, yes. This is quite rude, Yes. Well, yes. Wait, so you're like this It turns out that Eremin was the main one for you coach, huh? And you had an interesting line-up, and you at the youth level they couldn't get a foothold, because, well, there's no information about it there are practically none at all. Only the European Championship of 1990 We lost to the Italians in the final. So you took second place. At all There is no information about this. That is to say, well, it turns out that this is also victory. That is, let's say, here are ours victories in 2005 that we won in Chekhov youth, well, I'm proud sincerely, because it is an achievement. AND so, well, when I type in information about Igor Kudi, there is no, well no, it's in your Wikipedia doesn't have any information that you won. That's also interesting. there was a championship Europe in Groningen, in the Netherlands. E We had a pretty hard time getting out of there groups, because there were teams, well, no I'll say they're stronger than us, but many players will later were in the NBA, the Romanians played there, it was Muresan is like this, I know, of course. Two 20 something plus was there Popa, his assistant also 215. They put two of these hose under the ring. Well, it was like this junior year. Listen, wait. Well, at least tell me about Morishana, because we only have him we saw how it was already in the performances established. Yes. Oh yes, it’s just interesting. He is very big. He could move or just like that did you go? No, he brought it to the Romanian national team, well very useful, especially, well, here youth. I didn't follow him any further. career, and then I just saw that it was this huge guy we're there in In the end, they beat him and he ended up in the NBA. In the NBA, yes. Yes. Here. A Murishan, well, I won't talk about him like that anymore. I can't say anything. Well, that's it Yugoslavia Championship scandalous lost with bodiroga. It was the main star back then. youth championships That is, they already talked about him, yes, that he will be the future, Yes, this first issue is atypical. The first number is 2 m tall there. Well, that's how it is. You, roughly speaking, took the best. A little bit from everyone. A little bit from everyone. Yes, well, I can. say that That's good advice too, maybe. young players. The coach always said: "Well, there's no need to keep an eye on everyone there." Here uh, choose the best moves from that one a player you like. I'm in my I was keeping an eye on Marčalionis for a while. I don't I was keeping an eye on Jordan. I understood that I won't make such a jump. Plus he right-handed. Yes. Well, here is the translation under the foot, the departure from morchels, This is something I've been working on for a very long time. worked. Listen, that's exactly why it was for me I saw one of the interviews where you spoke about Marchenis. A very often now you come across cuttings crazy, where do they talk about him, oh well He was really super underrated in NBA, because of the speed, and, the build, change of direction, again this Eurostep, when did these appear? Eurostep, Eurostep Zhinobili, himself Zhinobeli says it's Eurostep, no Zhenobili, and Morchelyoni at first it was all these movements from the side, change of rhythm for whistling at us jogging. So you had this run then, Yes? Yes. Yes. Here. Wow. And he tell me, that is, a-e So you started following Morchelionis, a-a, repeat his movements, try Yes, adapt them to suit yourself. And at the expense of what? Just during free time, well, there, before training, after training, how are you, how did you build it, how are you I organized the work and adapted it to suit myself. That's what I'm getting at, you see, it's interesting just to understand based on skills. Well, We are returning to the USSR. We didn't have it time limit in the hall. This is important. This is super important. That is you when you walk, then you enter the hall, you're training. Well, it turned out that the first thing we did in the morning was trained from 7:00 am to 9:00 am, so as if exempted from the first lesson in school. Then we went on to study. After At school you do your homework. And we had and training after the masters' team. The masters team trained at 5:00 evening until 7:00. We trained from 7:00 until 9:30. But from 9:30 to 11 there was a hall completely free. Well, I don’t know, maybe someone has heard it, maybe someone hasn’t heard it. I had a friend who was a boxer. I asked him, so that he would give me swords. He needs it I needed to raise the functionality, but I already after a two-hour training session, it was I'm too lazy to run after the balls. And I just released. He ran for the rebound and passed it give me some parcels. I mean, well, I'm still somewhere There are 300 throws in these 2 hours threw. If he wasn't there, then it was me from the center of the field this one tried, uh, translation marchelene improve. That There is this translation and the first two steps. Translation, you're coming back. This is the routine, well, which then gave you some pulse. Yeah. What's not working? What needs to be done after these steps? stop step, rise and hit throw. So you then took someone in help and tried to put him on ass. Well, how does this work in the game? I understand what you're saying. This Interesting. Here everything is actually everything Just. You see, we already have a training one. the program started. So you first you try the movement, your movement without defender, and then you, when it I felt it, your task is to try him with the defender to see it, how does it function at all? Well, to understand, yes, enough speed or No. Then, already in high school, I the coach said tensely: "I won't tell you I believe." He says: "Well, you won't be able to at such a speed they would put me there "Ass." That is, I was 16, and the coach who accepted us was 28 years. By the way, he is currently training the youth team Unixa has been successful for a long time. Kibenkona, I know. Here. And he said: “There is nothing for me Speak, we need to do everything even faster. Then you will succeed. Then u the defender will have no chance to retreat." He was right. retreat. Well, yes, yes. Well this is approximately what it is now, but let it be Provsha, well Patrick Miller, look what does now. It accelerates, leads to the same point, that is, either this one is on the forehead, or on the third, fourth the antennae rise and it seems to be with him the defender is taller, but, Firstly, it's a jump, secondly, it's a break distance comfortable for releasing the ball, Yes, but it's very difficult to keep up there on your feet, because many people think that protection is it's so simple, but when you're on full you move at speed and suddenly go into stop, jump out, it's very difficult to the defender at the same time, you have your back you move, I brake again and this is unique, probably only Kirilenko from modern times, Well, the snout can be due to the length of the arms, they could get all this from the antropometries, but so it's, well, impossible to defend. Well, plus still, maybe, are not focused correctly. This is already individual work. It's always when you will play against the player with the ball, you need to focus your gaze on the middle part of the body, not on the ball. Why Americans love to play this so much crossover? Because if you usually follow, well, for the ball, then this, well, all this appears then players like Boncollector. [laughter] Your legs are tied in knots and that's it. You just, well, can't do anything. This is for me, I, in my time, when I came, uh, in Spartak, well, Andrei Nikolaevich Malts He called me, uh, we had one like that center Brex, he was 195 tall, but with shoulders like these, with shoulders like these with hands. And then we changed, and he did everything time on my feet kept up with the fast defenders. And then I tell him: "How?" Well, I mean, you know, when you prepare for a medium throw, you raise it, He keeps hitting the ball. Well, that is to say always always gets him. I tell her: "How". And he is exactly what you said, said: "Anton, he says: "I don't follow I'm watching the ball, I'm watching the center part, because she can run away from the ball, and this one part of it won't run away anywhere." And he just in front of you all the time with these sits with his hands. You, you, you, you, you, you, You. Oops, no ball. Oops, no ball. I I say as he says, it's all simple. That is, you don’t need to chase the ball. This is all naive, yes, that's the ball now, now, now, yes, once and with you, yes, like with a cat on a string, yes, yes. They just want you to fail. Well, they told me about it, well, when I was probably, well, 22 or 23 years old. That is, no one had ever given me this technique before, as these techniques are now showing defensive movements. Nobody talks about it there. didn't tell. I saw something somewhere. Cassettes came along nicely, didn't they? Here three-pointers. Three-pointers. Who are we on? grew? Well, not on, again, not on my team. And three-pointers are, Well, I'll say it's Miller, Reggie Miller. Then it's Larry Burt and probably Chris Malin because he was left-handed. Good. I know everyone very well. Me too I kept an eye on them all. In general, Larry Brd - She's some kind of character unique to me. Well, because Nowadays, it's still a world of social networks, there are a lot of a lot of information and a lot of stories pops up about a big leprechaun, let's say, Yes. And But listen, he [snorts] he's completely unique talent is exactly what you are like as a shooter You will understand. That is, he has a feeling of the ring it's crazy, Yes? The brush is very soft just like, well, no creepiness at all. Ram, ram, ram. And you, then, to you I'll tell you a story now. Uh, here, because I'm already on the list of veterans, we Igor and I played on the same team. And I, uh, back then I noticed for myself how much how easily do you throw away, that is, how much This movement is natural. And, well, sort of I played for CSKA, and now you play for me. very easy to throw away. None at all no creepy stuff anyway. Here I am watching this time I go Yes, I am there I didn't play much. Op, op, op, op. That's all, everything is there. This is due to your huge number of repetitions for your entire life career. That is, the mechanics of movement just automatic. Yes, the number of repetitions is not determined by anyone canceled. That is, there were players who Look, he has no throw. Summer it's over, he's already, well, different you start talking. And I tell Zhenya a joke. Yes. That is, a clear throw appeared, despite the fact that there was an injury serious. This [sighs] this is the number of repetitions, well, I guess, this is some kind of maybe it's a talent from God that I never pumped up this muscle, which is responsible for brush function. Well, maybe with a sword and with Spandar I worked. But this muscle, which is sometimes there the trainers emphasize that she will help you, Your brush will become stronger. No, she is. should be soft, shoulder and chest The muscle also participates, and the triceps. Well, look, you're doing everything right. you say. It's just interesting in your time, and how much do you know about all this? told how much the accent was, uh, k the gym, that is, it was given attention, because in general the Soviet the physical training system, it's, well, still there pore is famous preseason only. Preseason preseason. And in the season, probably already after ninety-six, when we We got to the final four for the first time in, well, current Euroga, now earlier. Wait, come on, come on, come on. Tell me about it, and then we'll tell you, because this is the first thing, attention, the first hit of the Russian team in Euroleague Final Four, Right? Yes. Well, there, in my opinion, for 25 years or something like that. A and then they began uh, three cycles a week, three exercise machines, Yes? That is Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Saturday was such a blast game day and, well, Sunday is normal there was a game, either Saturday was a flight and there is a training game there. Yes. Yes. [sighs] And with the arrival, Welcome back, so to speak, to Sergei Sanovich Belov, the barbell was every day. That is, when he returned to Russia and led the national team, the bar was 365 days a year. Well, because everyone knows, first of all, There is a movie about this, and there are real ones stories where everyone knows that he It was really a gym, it was just a gym fanatic, I was convinced that This is a base for a basketball player, and he will I planted this. And how are you, by the way, when I would like to have you every day gym, how are you doing with this? treated? Well, it's hard at first, but then later He didn't allow exercise equipment at all throw. He made me knock for 40 minutes ball, again, with different translations. This is where I further improved these translation by Marchelionis. So you had a gym twos, threes, yes, and 40 minutes, despite the ring, that is, you could finish the movement at the end under the ring there's some kind of trick, but throw the ball it was impossible. And only after 40 minutes already It started out there in a flashy way. How did he explain this or not? Well, the creeper had to be smashed. That You're like, you're breaking it with dribbling. cryptography so that it does not affect in any way your throw and on Well, it's real, well, I felt like wooden. I don't know about others, I felt like wood. And we even have it at the European Championships on the day the games were a training ground, where one of the six scored there, and sixth trunik, I pointed to the bench, what, well, relaxed and the next two I spent the games sitting on the bank. Yes. So here it is for what you showed. Yes, Yes. Well, I scored that goal. Well, sort of showed that Yes, well No, you shouldn't do that. But the ball flew very easily. Wait, come on. look, a-a question. So you understand what this is strengthens you to mow down or there he was watching closely for what you were doing? Well, you see, then there is, so to speak, here I am pressing, I know, that I can't bench before the game because If I shake before the game, I'll be in the game I feel, well, enslaved. I don't care about this. need to. I can reap there in 3-4 days, I can do push-ups, but there the day before the game I I don't touch it up anymore. I'm like, well, mine internal sensations, they don't bother me are suitable. I know people who press right before the game. That is, they come in Before the game in the gym, calmly They do shoulder presses, bench presses, and their nanis influence them. That there is pure human adaptation. Well, it didn't concern him at all. That is, uh, here is a program, Here are the Americans. Do you want to be so healthy, strong, strong, do it, yes. That's why we passed. Wow. Listen, let's talk about him. let's talk. Very interesting about Belo talk because [sighs heavily] there are many stories, but here, uh, that is, First of all, well, it’s clear that he is an individual. Uh, I wonder what his transition was like, when he became coach. I didn't listen to anyone. I have something about him, You know, there's this opinion that everything is there Sanych, Sanych, he was a good player, but as a coach there are merits, that he I won with the team, that's it again there was such a generation. Well, the generation was quite legendary. Here. A As a coach, for example, well, I like everything more Eremin is equally impressive because he had plan A, and B, and C, and F, and and XYZ, do you understand? But Sanovich didn't have it it turns out. Well, [ __ ], that means we're the same We play the combination with others. There are rotations players, well, as such there weren't any either. there was a bet on proven fighters and, Well, somewhere there he added someone released a little. And to say that there was some combination, you know, I have it there No offense, but we heard it in an interview while he was still alive, we had hope, that in connection with Babkov's injury in the final Kudelin will perform better there Yugoslavs. What was done? Well, that is to say, we don't have there was a tactic like that of the same Eremina, because they are among themselves they didn't find a common language there. Well, they worked at headquarters. Well, it was like CSKA in the eighties, let's put it this way. Stas, I know everything there. Everything is fine. Fine. Yes, Fine. That is, there was none. But this is very it is important to achieve the result, so that you have contact with the main one coach with an assistant, because everything equal, uh, big load, fresh ideas, but for this you need to, as it were, communicate. Sanych had a great connection with the doctor Igor Zavyalov, and Igor had a connection with the team. And everything that happened in the team, here it is this chemistry and how everyone feels, Sanych knew all this. Oh, well, okay. Functions as if. And these, it turns out, are Gomelsky’s affairs, which Stas went through, well, Belov them I didn't allow it in my team. He is bigger at work I looked at the players and, accordingly, well, the composition was formed. Yes. Listen, come on, since we've touched on it, eh, ninety-eight, definitely we need to talk about this, because it's one of those tournaments, which I had almost entirely on cassette. I've been watching all these games. A, Firstly, the anticipation before the tournament. I wonder, so you were riding in the rank of who? how does it feel? That is, they understood that you can get to the final there or Were there any concerns before the tournament? Well, I'll tell you, Sanych eradicated all of these we had doubts, but we didn't really believe it, Well, what are we really before the tournament, we'll be second there or we will become champions, having a big chance. Here at the same European Championship in ninety seven years earlier in Barcelona, ​​that is it's a disappointing loss to the Italians there semi-finals, we understood that the Yugoslavs had recoiled, then Yes, we were better prepared then. And here We arrive and there's some kind of tournament going on. in Greece, we are 4 days before the start there We are burning with Australia at the World Cup. We get twenty without even raising our heads They didn't understand, well, what was going on. Yeah. Why did we carry so many heavy loads? how many shuttle traders were running around? All people are 20 years old in the first half once and we, Well, that is, they couldn't do anything. A then, I think, in the group stage, I I don't remember whether we played with them or not, but everything turned out differently. Well, wait, you, do you understand what this is? Maybe? You were just under stress. And, Well, from the height of my years of living, let's say so, I I caught it, yes, that my legs weren't running at all nothing worked. There you want put up a barrier, but it is not put up. Those moreover, I tell you that there are such things now floppings, uh, such floppings as now, there, well, it wasn't there before, Yes, that's for sure. That is, defending yourself if you are given a backlash barrier, then you could easily put it up rib and next time you'll get oops, elbow back, yes. Next time you, well, the barrier won't fly from behind. Here. And now you can fall beautifully there. Listen, I actually even have It's interesting to discuss this topic, uh, regarding these Soviet training exercises. Ah, What were you running and jumping about there, shuttle traders? To what extent do you think, again, from the height of the years I have lived, this is necessary part preparation? Well, that is to say, is it really so? Is this so important? Or you can at the expense of basketball training to bring out their physical condition for the one you need level? Maybe it is possible, but I don't care. I liked this change of scenery, the change work. That is, go exactly there. run to the dews through the snow, there take a breath, then go into the hall, and It's not like it was when we had Lokomotiv. Aca Petrovich came, and we've been running for 28 days shuttles in the hall when the beautiful nature, there in Zlatebor you can walk through the forest I had to run. And although the doctors said, what needs to be raised, uh, wait, there is what, huh, aerobic. Aerobic, anaerobic, yes, that's what you can do I need to strengthen the aerobics a bit more. No, here it is. there is a program, just until you run these 12 sites there, yeah, and there should be about six of these series, that means you won't be able to play basketball there play. And imagine, there you are 2 with hours, and in the evening you think, you're 2 again for an hour, again it's the same running around. Well then It seems like they were running somehow. Therefore, there is there's a time when you forget about it basketball, you go somewhere in the forest, you just sit there and go fishing disconnects with nature phones, [clears throat] right? Basket, basket, and then this happened reboot, that's enough there, well, a little time, there's a day for you you think: "No, this is already boring, "I need to go back to the gym, it seems." You come and see this Yugoslavian language again mug, damn, and you think: "Well, give it to me something else already, damn it." No, he has a program of the American army, there take tests there, something else. If you I couldn't do more than 100 push-ups, that's it, This is weak preparation. This si doesn't fit, does it? Right away You can't play basketball. Once you are 40 I didn't do push-ups once and didn't do 200 platforms If you ran, then you're no good. Yes, actually I need this invoice Serbian basketball body structure players, she, well, kind of likes it. Such textured players. Here let's take it who even, yes, it is, in my opinion, Gudurich and Michi. Well, they are folded in an unusual way, no Sasha Shcherbenev, let's say, who plays. Yeah, the guy works a lot, individually. I know, I looked, and I know even with whom this happens in Krasnodar. He additionally devotes e work on with my body a lot, but I think, that basketball has moved forward a little. In must the players should be a little more powerful. That is, here it is for me now, if I were to put number one, this is also not Patrick Miller, I would put a player like you, textured. Thank you. That is, one who can play both below and He can defend himself on his feet in the field. That There is this time meter 90, if you have There is no super speed, it's gone. Yes. Well, you have to, it's basketball, you You said it right, basketball has moved forward, and you have to defend yourself with guards, but also with big ones. Conditionally, Sasha again Cherbenev, he is really very talented, but we're talking about exchange with the same Jikiri. So what, so what Can Sasha do it? Well, it's a foul. The last game showed it right away a foul down low and some kind of rotation back there. Yes. Yes. Well, that is here And this Interesting. That is, the gym. On in fact, I am also convinced that, a, in general, even going back, I have such an important leap when I had transfer from Spartak to CSKA, I I met a coach there. Nothing is clear, he understands, he understood He's either in the gym or nothing. I didn't understand. So, we were doing some crazy volume, huge volume, well, roughly according to the Soviet system. And me too progressed, that is, I was also in At one time he was very thin. And then progressed. Then I felt very strongly lucky. I ended up in Khimki to see Uncle Lesha. A muscleman who is just a bodybuilder, may the kingdom of heaven be his. He showed me, I trained him and I already gained something turned into something similar to the body where I already I was able to squeeze through because the first few years I I couldn't, well, that's all there, if some healthy 120 kg, what will you do? Just gets the ball, a hit, two points or foul or goal, that's it, you don't care you will do it. So actually this is also such an accent for young people, that well take care of your body, and nothing else There is nothing complicated. Not before, I would say, seventeen years old, Yes, not before se. Well, again, horizontal bars, a push-up, a squat, that's all You can do it calmly and develop like this further. Listen, we've moved on from the championship. world, and the Lithuanians have a super team. I looked at their application. Uh, Well, as if a championship team should be, and at the same time you are in the quarterfinals with they are just Well, yes. Here, here, here, let's go back. again. And then these victories came. We somewhere there, well, not very much We won, but all the key games were ours they slowly got hold of it, got it for themselves, yeah, initially there, uh, in my opinion, We had Italians in the 18th century, Yes, there, well, for me it was a bad game, but We dealt with them very actively. Next were the Lithuanians. The last time we played with them, I think at the championship Europe of ninety-five. That is They became even stronger. AND I know that Belov won't change anything tactics, that is, well, there were some concerns, Yes? Well, I think we have Karas there. shot very hard. I think he scored something under 30 points. Lithuania. Well, this trulnik of mine is there for how many minutes until the end, which when they started to fight back, I think we were all The game was played normally, there were points 15-16. I don't know, maybe it was just a bad day. Zhukausk has companies there. Yasik, I don’t remember if I was young or not. there was still, in my opinion, in my opinion, Yasik appeared the following year, yes, Exactly. In France in 1999 was Rimas was there. And he always said this the phrase: "Goodluck in a useless cause." "Like we have a sabos and that's it "It'll end." Well, it didn't help. Damn, Listen, tell me about it too, I'm interested even. And firstly about Sabos. Well, that is to say A all the moments that I watch, well that's some kind of unique person. That is it If it weren't for the injuries, well, he'd be 100% NBA superstar. That is to say, he is so-so so-so star, Yes. Everyone prayed to him there. Portland, I think. That is, he Well, do you remember yours at all? confrontation when you played with them? How, um, unstoppable was he? Well, I'll say that it was a pleasure to play against Yaumi. easier than against Sabo, because Sabos was, well, versatile. He would be what he is now demands from the fourth numbers there, and he fifth pure five, he also played in the field. And those crazy passes, like Magic's Johnson, that is, he felt, well, it internal chemistry. There is Eremin I told you that you were going on the attack, Gomelsky tells you to play one thing there, and you showed your ear like this, and Myshkin already under the ring. That is, nothing was needed. do. He just grabbed his ear scratched. It was their thing, because that they agreed on this in the room. He says, "I'm not going to play this, I'm just I'll show you like this, and you stand there, I'll give you the ball. That's it, you'll score there." Wow. They had the same thing. The screen is played with a vision, correctly, when the ball is passed from hand to hand, Yes? You know all this, and suddenly a Lithuanian he comes up with a place, he goes to it defender is new, standing facing you, he will come up with this such a pass. [snorts] Such a pass. And, accordingly, a sniper runs out, he understands that he is here on a tray. You work with your hands there, what's there? You wave there and put pressure on the ball. Here it is sharp So once they put a ball on a tray, Kurt ran out and scored. That is, it all turns out to be on on some subconscious level, here this intuition, right? That is, some internal agreements, Yes? Well, yes. What, like, after a workout? We didn't go there, roughly speaking, for beer drink, and we agreed with you that a Let's do it this way, better, more comfortably. After We tried this somewhere, and it was comfortable. Yes. I had this same thing with Fridzon. We played in Khimki, we called eyes. Let there be a lot of Vitalik there running out. That is, he is probably like this one of the uh shooters-shooters that ran out, according to which there were combinations. [snorts] And we also agreed, because, Well, he ran out the first time, the second time, then everyone began to understand what was wrong with him it needs to be tight, and, accordingly, somewhere They were cunning at the barriers. Well, you see, yes, they cut the corner, I tell him: "Always, always eyes." He comes out and says: "All". Well, because he's human. focused on passing the screen, and I gave him the ball with my hands, he just scored. Well, you understand, right? I call this show the bee, Yes? That is, here, since he is with souls, he is like he would defend himself for sleep, he has an op above head, free freeze, one-two points, you're in protection ran up there somewhere sleep is standing, he says, this one, he says, doesn't see. I I say, I understood the eyes. So here too, yes, scratched my ear. Well, I get it, it's a diamond like that Yes, Yes. And that's all. And it all works. Listen, but what followed was completely unique situation, semi-final with the Americans. Ah-ah, I think the whole country was watching that moment this match. And we are there, you know, holding my breath. Do you remember yours anyway? first meeting with the Americans, When did you play the first one? his first game with the Americans or was it the only game with Americans specifically against the national team? Precisely against the national team. Oh, most likely, yes. Oh, oh, wait, did you, I mean, did you play? in ninety-four? I'm not participating, I know that. No, that is, you say They, who else did you play with? With some teams played in ninety-first year for the first time in America got into the national team just before before the collapse of the Union. And so we played just with top universities. Bobby Knight played with Indiana, then Kentucky DCS with Duke. They played against Duke, where Fieril, Klistian Leitner, Granhil. Here. That is, well, At first the impressions were like this, Students, 20,000 gather there. Well, actually, wait, this is the same thing. trip to America. This is generally, that is, me I'm even trying to understand how a-a this is this is long-awaited, not even that debt No, I understand that This is long-awaited. We will discuss it now. How much does this broaden your horizons? That is, you, roughly speaking, well, in little in a little room, and then you you understand that the world is completely different. Here How did you get there? Shock, what is this? Well, I was a little impressed. from what I saw, from the buildings, well, from basketball halls. we [snorts] had to play there friendly games, but we are more all revolved around Italy, Greece, in Spain, and here it’s like the States and well, it’s wild the number of huge interests among viewers. Well, who are we guys who came there? There is no one there. it's so-so, you know, that's all wow, sign the Mikes. [laughter] What is this? Yes Well, yes. Plus you see these legendary ones the coaches Mike is talking about there Shishevsky, then Bobby Knight, about whom All the coaches say: "And we are there We'll use Bobby Knight's defense there too." And here he is, Yes. Yes. Well, basically all games added up, you know, like uh -20 in the first half and then an even game. Here. And some games, on the contrary, we they hooked. I mean, well, North Carolina. We miraculously let them go there, there were three points. Kentucky, I don't remember, I think [snorts] Kentucky won, I think. We have There was a good team back then. Igor Grachev, Denis Pyatenev, Gert Kolume, whose son is playing now for the Estonian national team. A Sasha Okunsky, Sergey Grezin, who the first one came to America, there is a shield broke, the Americans in general became, well, without mind. They liked it, didn't they? We would have they said: "Oh-oh-oh, the shield broke, what "I did it." And there then Andrey Fetisov, here is Vasya Karasev, I, Anton Yudin, that is, well, Well, you have a serious team, objectively. Listen, and look, did you feel it? the difference between basketball? So here you are played with them, with the students, level contact, protection, protection, protection of the insane density, right? Yes, protection. I saw how it works then this, well, live zone pressing, when You are being seized. You didn't understand, well, How do you transmit the transmission there? And when? there three monkeys fly out at you with such hands, and the propometry there, well, everyone had a decent one, and you seemed to be there too you give the transmission as you were taught, suddenly in whirlwind, everything is already on top of you. And then I saw the UP alley for the first time even against us. We somehow don't used this, [laughter] and here, and here a pass from above, Yes, we have more and more, you know, there short discounts, somewhere behind the back you passed the ball, there, if it's big charged, then he will stick it in, and here It seems like a person is coming towards you, where is he going? threw the ball? From the center of the field there further, Mr. Schmidt, groin on top. Well, that is to say, well, it's beautiful, Yes. Well, it's like, you know, it's like they open it up for you just a little bit They opened the door and showed me how it was What kind of basketball can there be? another. Here Granhill scored in about the same way, uh from above through Misha there with the dotted line. This There was a game against Duke. Fast break. Without thinking, he simply scored through Misha. A from above, probably, if you look at If you find this frame and photograph, then you can compare with ninety-eight, like the rebracha flew above him when he covered. Something like this. You are there you sniff the eggs and the black one is already hanging in ring. Wow. Listen, he's already got a grant. then it stood out, that is, it was clear, that he will be a super superstar, Yes? Well, there, in my opinion, from that composition three or four people were drafted, I don't remember. Well, I know, I remember exactly, Christian Leitner and, in my opinion, the first number, which is then on a motorcycle crashed hard there, that is, either Bobby, or maybe Bibi, damn, some kind of. Well, in Those years everything was highly valued. [snorts] Here. And listen, how did this turn out for you? tournament? So how did you play these games? Well, that's exactly the tour that was with Yes, Well, I was Anton's backup, I think. AND At that time, Stas was playing for the European Championship this command. Eh, I understood my role, that is, well, somewhere I got out, I managed score a trunik, yes, good. That is, I mean, wait, this is very I had an initiation into this, I am the first Once I got to America, there was initiation, I was pushed into Lunopark in pool, somewhere else right there in your clothes. So Well, well, that is, uh, I'm more like I looked at the world and felt real contact there is basketball. So this was your first one. a big step, yes, probably, towards awareness How can this be at all? Well, yes. What to strive for, Yes? Wait, tell me. At all trip to America, things, ah, jeans, me I don't know, sneakers, uh, how do you, well, I spent everything, everything I had. Well, there wasn't much there. There is nothing, there was nothing. Yes. I brought it, I remember, backpack, Hey, I brought my sister a backpack that's completely stuffed. chewing gum there. Well, we just had, I think, There are 28 dollars in pocket money there. That is They shared a dollar a day there. There We didn't really ask the federation. Well plus it is clear that caviar was transported black and vodka, which no one drank on So you took it out of Russia? From the USSR, right? Soskogo, you are from the Soviet Union Well, what I mean is that Well, we weren't rude there due to the quota. There How many jars were possible? Four jars and two bottles of vodka, I think, such. All. So you're seeing her off? How is this? is it functioning? That is, you transport it and you sell there. And there at the games stood the legendary the team's massage therapist, a table was set up, and someone was carrying nesting dolls, someone was carrying a watch, someone cameras, that means our Zenit, Ikra. Well, and, accordingly, all this was sold. Then after the game first in During the break the question was asked: "Well, what's going on there, "how I buy." It wasn't so much the game that worried me, yes, but do they buy or not? And did you buy it? We bought them, of course. Well, we are empty they came, that is, accordingly, there was enough there for jeans and good ones there. So the main thing was this, it turns out, to conduct, to sell here buy something that is not at home. Yes, what and what about me? Well, maybe we don't wear jeans there anymore traded like the previous generation there. And if it was possible to bring to Serox or Fax, then here is the money that is from sales could be bought or sold Crocs, or fax one, carry it out, sell here at the consignment shop. This brought in good money. How do I make a fax or a server? In the suitcase just hide it. Why did they put it in the luggage? That is, a whole service box in baggage? Yes. Yes. Well, that's how they did it before. Well, TVs [clears throat] were transported like that. It's just not interesting. What I mean is that now the modern generation doesn't even understand how it is how it is the pipe will break, it won't break, but The first stereo TV was being transported there. TV. I brought it myself. From. Oh, wait, look here. And what is your salary? What was she like at that time? That There is this, which is interesting to me. That there is an equivalent 240 rubles In my opinion, how 240 rubles - What is this anyway? What can you do? was bought for 240 rubles. Well, that is it Well, that's normal. didn't need anything. That is, a regular salary. average. How old was the average person? For example, there at the factory or 250, I think. Well, that is to say, Well, my father is a welder, uh, with with his brand there above the category, he has was 250, and mom has 150. You've already made money, right? Well, there were also some rations there. military. This is CSKA. Yeah. Fine. Cool. Eh, this is very these here is a dive into history, It was somewhere around 100 dollars there, let's say so, nothing more. Cool. Ah-ah, So, we're going back to ninety. in the eighth year. Semifinal America. Uh, It's clear that they have a tamcount. They arrive, let's say, uh, stars, but not the first quantities. Well, how would it be? mm, it felt like it was all the same America. and some serious team or No, I didn't feel it because, well, almost the entire team consisted of players, who played in Europe, and we played against them they were playing right there, Lion's share was playing, in my opinion, Olympiacos, eh, then Alba Berlinensis, Here. Well, someone, I think, from Italy, more likely, Yes. And the most famous one there was Rudy. Tamyanovich, the coach is there. Here. And that's why there was such an underestimation, and we spent the whole game There were fires in the area there, 10-1 points. AND, Well, it's probably a miracle that, uh, First of all, it's a miracle that he whistled at us Slavic judge. [laughter] I say this 100% because a couple He didn't whistle any fouls on me when I was there took the ball away. Here. And the miracle is that, well, Seryoga Babkov broke through then. Yes, he really does But me too It's actually interesting to discuss it, because that world championship, uh, I, I probably discovered it for myself, that is really like that, uh, Well, now they call it pulp, like this a shooter who comes out from behind a screen, and, in principle, there is no arsenal there say that it is big. That is, he or hits, or just makes one or two hits vertically. about what we talked about, flies up and just scores. There there are no such movements, tricks, there are just basic things that do at the perfect level. Yes, at Babka's. Well, yes, but here's the thing about e I also learned a little about throwing because We played against each other. It was mine the first and only year for the red the boilermaker is in the Russian championship, then, What is the Super League now? Here we were playing against Novosibirsk, and Seryoga didn't want to leave, uh, for no team. His in CSKA was also called. He was devoted Novosibirsk. This is later, in my opinion, after first world championship ninety in the fourth year he left for Maloga already play. And before that we crossed paths on the sites, and I was always surprised how so a person shorter than me jumps into this zone as he used his deflection throw unusual. And here again I will say that Belov was not there some special combination, was the corner was a fist. There were options from the fist. When the option was closed, where Dima Domani Kdor played, then, in basically, it started, well, the rise Babkova from hand to hand. It was possible there to hit the ball or try to get through passage. And so, as you say, there under Fritz there for running out there or like we have In CSKA there is a screening screen. I'm there I was getting up, I knew there would be an extra Pass, there hasn't been anything like this before. It was just simple, basic basketball, Yes. The corner ran. Well, we even have this there was no such continuity as now everyone is playing. Well, transitionition, Do you understand what I'm talking about? Pascat pick and roll there. What is this about? In Spanish, there is a speech to be made there. It's clear. Listen, well, this happened. the famous moment when Panov, aka I didn't do it according to the combination at all. That there is just a random random one there moment, he looked to the right, looked from the left, I just went straight ahead and scored, probably his most legendary passage throughout history in general. In fact, they drew some nonsense. I I also looked at it like this, but it should have been there It seems like I need to give the ball somewhere. I have to was to leave and from somewhere there to open up and give the ball. Eremin made this substitution plus. He changed the player and the gentleman came out, Well, no one held it, that is, because The Americans got lost. So this is Yeryomi, like Yeryom? Well, there, in my opinion, it was either Zakhar Pashutin there was someone on the site and then someone he told him: "Change, make a substitution." I don't remember who carried the ball out, whether in I don't remember either. I remember that Pavanov received and like: "There's no one." He's straight ahead, yes. Yes, yes. And instead of scoring From above, the community began to put the ball. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter. It worked out, it worked out there. Well, it was some kind of a series of moments. This ball again, Vasya took the ball, held it, and put it down. Well Can you imagine, modern ones now rules, that is, time, Yes. Well, it's not in the modern rules that you we would have lost all this shot from the center if it were counted, that's it, time would stop would. Time didn't stop then, Yes? That is, time passed. Karasyo ​​turns out ball. He would have stopped a little now warning. He took the ball. Yes, no question. put it down, took it in half. No, I didn't put it down. He put it there and they threw it out. Bam s center of the field. Time out, the ball would have been moved. Well, you yourself you understand what happened. No, well, this is actually still the case. he got there, everyone was waiting, everyone was talking unprotected. Oh my, how you all are in the finale. Listen, you're in the finals, uh, uh, well, celebration or, on the contrary, everything is as if clearly understood that the finale was going to be a serious one battle with Yugoslavia? Yes, there was a serious battle, but the preparation was crumpled too. It's clear. Understood. OK then. Okay, about We won't have any tedious preparation tell. I won't burn it. Well, how could it not? The thing is that there, well, Just We didn't drink, we kind of prepared, and then there was the finale it was every other day, not like the next day. Now. Yes. Here. And, well, just there got into a fight near one of the bars, with the Greeks there we fought again the greatest. We just had a fight there. successful. Victory or not? Well, how is it? Don't ask Dima at home. Okay, I'll invite him later and ask. Necessarily. Nineteen eighth year after semi-final with Greek fans. That they were unhappy with yours there victory? Yes, they didn't agree on something there, yes. Well there So maybe Kalimera, Kalispera not so they said. Well, probably, [laughter] Listen. Well, here is the ending. And what's more, and, in my opinion, the Yugoslavs were with you in group. Yes, we lost to them in a disappointing way. extra time. I remember you lost in the extra time. Here is the finale. It's clear that they have super composition. Do you have It seems like they are also a serious team. In short, they gave up their game there and in They gave up their game in the final. Here is my personal opinion. Again, it's because there wasn't there is no B-plan, no C, nothing. And they had, as I understand it, that they all anyway, well, overall we have to give credit where credit is due, Yes, what does it mean to them, well, it’s clear, rebracha. Tamashevich. Yes, big ones. Tamasevic and Milenko Topic. I think that he was a factor. Milenko Topic. Everything is correct. But the rear ones All lines are being trained now. Yes. All super, super super coach. Obradovic, right? Who is this? Djordjevic, Danilovich. Launcher was there and bodiroga. Yes. Loncher, bodyroga Sypanovich. Yes. Well, that is fundamental. fundamental confrontation in general yours. Ah-ah, Damn, that block shot is definitely at the end, Well, I think it's just the generation ninetieth year, what I'm telling you I was talking about Europe, this one right now Their team has grown. Dragon Tarlych, Well, consider, Tamashevich, they were there. AND It was just then that the runes were sorted out and did not make it to the semi-finals. But it’s important, yes, I’m not the first one to do this. since I draw this parallel with the serv, How clearly does the system work? That there are people who are at the youth level, They are not like ours, yes, disappeared, yes, Yes. Well, like, this is ... this is this this is this this is this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this the sub-generation there is boom-babom. Then where? They? And they have this all the time. And here it is What are planned generational transitions? what happened to you, what happened to us in 2007, because when we won against them, they just started letting them in young. Yes. And there is Teodosic, everyone else. And they then bam-bam-bam and already by 2000 there is 2010, eleventh, 12, thirteen 15 ago they All the main ones are already launched, everyone is launching them early to the national team, not this generation disappears, they connect early, early they are being developed. AND Yes, you are simply going through a meat grinder As if by Yes, then the coaches are already doing it this is the cull, who takes the hit or no one holds. So. Well, I'm saying, your generation. helped me finish my career, but thanks to you, basketball has risen to an even higher level. Yes. Well, Well, this is my personal opinion. Well, it's like I feel a little guilty I feel it now. No, no, no, [laughter] listen, but look, you're losing in final. Well, that's cool. That is, second place. at the World Championships - it's cool, but how as if there is an aftertaste, yes, of that It's a shame. No, one old man told me, well, from basketball team, he's always said: "Better on the last day win for third place than lose in the final." No, actually, well, it's just offensive. how Karpinkov's sneaker got torn final at the Olympic Games. We have the same thing the most. There, if you watch the replay, Kisurin's leg gave way. Due to this foul on Djordjivic. Well, that is to say a series of offensive moments that, in basically, these little moments, they decide the outcome of the match. But listen, interesting, huh? that is, when you returned home, Did the fans greet you? Ah, was it? Is this some kind of achievement for the country? Damn, it's still second place on World Championship, that's really cool. That there is some Well, you know, you know about what am I saying? Support for people in general, Yes? No, everyone ran away there. I can say that someone left on a charter by flight, somehow agreed upon. We We waited and sat for another 2 days in Greece, I I remember we left that place with crucian carp hotel, we rented some rooms for ourselves, there we waited for 2 days for a regular flight Moscow. We flew home, straight away Vasya is in St. Petersburg, and we flew to Rostov. All. The whole celebration. The whole celebration. Ordinary Awesome. An ordinary, everyday day. World Championship second place at the World Championships. Ordinary an ordinary day. Well, like, well, we won and won. The bonus, as I remember now, was 4,240 dollars for second place. Well, that was already ridiculous money back then. or or serious money? 4200 for that moment. Well, it was funny money based on that well, all the teams that qualified for the European Championship, initially received $15,000 each each player. [laughter] And you're for [snorts] second place, yes, received 4200. Well, I'm talking about mine I say, there maybe someone got eight, someone 10. I am talking about my contribution. So, my contribution appreciated. Four 4200. Well, not bad. Well, whatever. It's not this, it's not this. But we have something to remember. That's for sure. Listen, there are two important topics, which I wanted to discuss. First of all, you said it wasn't the first time. I already read in your interviews that you I clearly understood my role, that you there, so to speak, here is a backup Yudina, here is Babkov's backup, aa This is why you are the main one at CSKA. Ah-ah, First of all, how did you feel about this role? So you took it, yes, or now It's often like this: "Why am I a bcap, I I'll be right out? I'm throwing it on, I'm throwing it on. And sometimes it ruins everything. team play. Yes, such a case happened. Just like that We had one youth team little man. We're sitting there and losing. It's coming. combination. Here I am, I just came out, Now I'll score from here, now I'll score there I'll intercept. Stas might have heard this somewhere once. Okay, go ahead. That's all there is to it. All with exactly the opposite. Loss. Miss. Miss. Go sit on the bench. That's it, there. everything ends. Well, I don’t know, in CSKA, probably, uh [snorts] after all, I'm at Stas's there was such a free artist, and, well, to me was allowed they, well, were forbidden to do a lot, but and were allowed more than others. That is, to get off the bench and give it there two or three trulniki, there to instill faith in the team and then we went according to the plans there. Well, I still had to be there for to drag the crucian carp piano, and also for some players. You are calm about this perceived it as, well, you did it consciously, I made a conscious choice. Well, in the national team it’s still different It's going a little bit. Well, in psychology a little bit different on the head. But in CSKA, well, I didn't doubt anything one moment. That is, you are completely trusted Eremin? Well, Eremin and his own, so to speak, inner intuition. Now we need to do it like this. He even said himself that I am for them I prohibit these many things. If I see, what they don't do, well, they never they will play there at an early stage. That is, if I see that people are doing so, so, so, well, then they have character. Listen, let's do it then. Okay. He is Eremin was, uh, well, a tough coach or uh that is, I understood him about Belov, Eremin, that is, what he had, Let's say there are several plans, that's cool. Well, he played like number one, and I I understand that his brain is functioning. a little differently, and he's on the game looked differently. Stas was for improvisation, but only on one condition. If you you score a goal, as soon as this did not happen, that is he sees, yes, that it seems like, well, you could hit, but didn't score. He then said: "Get rid of this amateur activity of yours, "Do as I say." Yes. Yes. You once, once there on the notes: “Oops, that’s it everything is planned, everything is good, "everything works." Yes. And then again It seems like you're showing it, but it all went wrong there It seems like three. Listen, important important a moment I would like to have with you let's talk, here's the CSKA I'm at grew up and I am confident that most people who They're going to watch this podcast now, ah-ah, You had some kind of spirit. Uh, that is, I am here I'm now immersed in my memories, uh, so I was looking at you and that a team that I sincerely wanted to join to worry, and you worried, you each once sat, you play Euroga, you You're sitting here, as if you're acting for yourself. Is this connected? with what you have Wait, then you can how many were there? Two legionnaires. Yes, two legionnaires. That is, in essence, they played Russians, and our own? There weren't eight of them there. people, seven, six, like now. There was no one to perform the operation on, yes, what will come there's either Holden or someone else and there or Lendon will score those extra goals. But it’s not that you did all this, and it was such a sincere fan love and faith in you. Well, I can say, uh, well, first of all, Those wild, romantic nineties were coming. And in fact we saw this attitude fans, that they, well, are not indifferent to us, and we tried to give back, to repay them in kind the most, that's why no one could get in there otherwise. No, this is very cool. So, that's it It's interesting that you and basketball They showed a good one. That is, it is impossible. say you're there, Well, it’s not for nothing that Stas says that, as if that's the team that played, that is, it She didn't work according to the plans, she played. That Well, he collected, roughly speaking, the core was from his youth team. Plus, he targeted someone, someone else. added every other season. Yes. So and it turned out that from ninety-first starting with constructing this team we only shot at ninety third, I think we got into the main stage Eurogi. Well, and then it all started to happen, Well, you already did because you started progress, that is, you still a main part, main idea, skeleton remained, people who trust each other. You already understood on a different level. You, Karasev, Eremin, who else was there? Wait, Panov. Well, he succeeded. take away after ninety-second year Karas's European Championship, then came Panov, then Kisurin came, well and roughly speaking, an experienced wind was added, then the American, consider the NOSE. No, ninety-fifth in the NVOS. At first there were these Chuck Evans and Patrick Eadie. Well, there are also such people with interesting things there departures and throws. That is, but they still brought something new. it is your team. So you played, there was still some kind of op athleticism there, then it was still windy when he came, This is also an unusual style. And then I I'm already remembering it there a year later, eh, I'm still I was keeping track of time, remember, Alanovich was like that played, I kept an eye on him all the time. Then it's up to me It was interesting because, ah, he was playing, that is, I always, uh, always about this I say that I consider Vasily Karasev more of an attacking first number. He even not quite number one, it's more attacking defender. Yes, he could have given it away. transmission, but his emphasis was precisely on attack. Ah, Alanovich came, his [snorts] the emphasis was on the team's performance. That is, he was right, I saw it then, oops, getting the ball out, a clear combination. he could score, but it wasn't there the primary task. And here he is, by the way, very much to the guy penetrated. This guy was his nickname, that he was going bald. Here it penetrated, it did not become behave like a southerner, that's exactly how Russian. We were very close friends, he was with me even in Taganrog at home. Wow, Yes? That is the whole mentality I felt it. Handsome man. Yes. Then there was another one We have a boy from the NBA, Matke Kelin there also a Croat with him. That one for borishch I couldn't watch. That is, he needed Snickersс. Yeah. And he didn’t understand at all how I could be at CSKA come from Indiana there. How is this possible? Well, yes, well, you know, there, well, you sit, You don't do anything in the NBA, these guys still You will receive the money. And here you need to play. You still need to train. Well, yes, there is also Russian borscht. Yes. With vodka. Ah, so, uh, listen, here we're talking about, first of all, uh, how is this chant? Uh, just a second, I'll find it. I know, You know. But I have to talk about her. about to pronounce. [sighs heavily] Ah, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, so, so, so, so. Where is it? Where is it? This? Where is it? And I wrote it all down for myself, forgot. Faster than dolphins, stronger than elephants. Number sixth. Seryoga Panov. No. as great as grandfather. As great as Grandpa Lenin, only living Igor Kudelin. Well How is this even possible, just think about it? Well, Well, this is completely different level. Do you remember when you were the first? Have you heard it once? Well, yes. I don't know what came to mind Seryoga to Belogolovtsev, but then they They really had a blast at these games. CSKA. Well, it's just a break, it's a break. heads. A you were loved, that is, a lot the number of people, uh, again reviewing the game footage there, well, a large number of people went to Basketball in Moscow and elsewhere Moscow to Euroga. Yes, European to the Russian championship, well Well, no, and there 300 people maximum. Ah, well, there wasn't any there. To whom, that is, in those Who competed with you over the years? Well, Avtodor, Dynamo, Avtodor, Avtodor, Dynamo. Well, I mean in I mean, well, three teams. Well, yes, but there were bad days, sometimes they could there you'll still have to fight with everyone. You You come after the Euros and you have to play with with Samara, well, which was like her it bit, but like, well, you know, Well, well, this is Samara, it would be better if we went to Samara let's go because the post-game show is I was interested in what. Yes, Samara has a good post-game show. was. Good. [laughter] So good. That is, well, in fact, ah, the championship, the Russian championship did not call, Yes, such interest as Eurogu. [snorts] Well, we always wanted to be first, and Stas reminded me of this, that here you are Just give in and they'll come They say, ambitious understudies, they will sit down on your head, everything, and your century ended. That is why, well, that's all. It was necessary to maintain the bar for a while. There I was against Zakhar Pashutin, when he did he come for Avtodor, or against me? Chikalkina Seryoga. That is, everyone is against it. his opponent should, well, was prove your place in the team, your place in CSKA. And you had a principled attitude towards these meetings? Well, that is, against Zakhar against, Well, when they poked me with this diarrhea, yes, then I tried to tune in as much as possible. Are you satisfied with these duels? Well, go ahead anyway. So. Zakhar Pashutin, uh, like an attacker defender, oh, he's a strong player, that is he could also score points. Oh, and plus us. we know that their combination with Evgeniy Poshukin, who purposefully, as it were, I found my brother, and they have such a connection was. It's in style, yes, there, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. A How would you feel about him as a competitor? And I will say this, for example, Seryoga Chekalkin, he was also a good attacker defender, scored a lot of points, but I put Zakhar higher because he is against It was harder for me to defend Zakhara. I dealt with Chika easily. Did he know what he was doing? Well, I didn't know somehow. Well, that's the style of play. There weren't many of those in Europe. To me, for example, well, it's awkward against Sigalos There was a Greek there, defending himself. A in Russia it’s, well, Babkov and Poshutin. Two, yes, which, yeah, I didn't really notice the rest, Well, that is to say, it wasn't difficult, yes, for this purpose, for protection. Listen, come on. Let's go back to ninety-fifteen six, where you get to the final four of the Euros. And this is the first one, right? historical, there, uh, the final four for yours in general team. How much then, let's say, Well, it's clear that you were doing well season, how much is this event did you feel it in the final four? And was it? some pressure? No, it wasn't that easy. euphoria, and confidence that we've hit the mark directly to the desired command, on these pedestrians from Panathinaikos. AND I recently read an interview here Petrakova, it turned out to be a big deal, it turns out they had a meeting with FIBA management, and it was clear there it is said that We must lose in the semi-finals. This is on the president of CSKA was at this meeting and the president of the whole CSKA, there is Baranovsky, roughly speaking, and Petrakov. Okay, well wait one more time. Well, we, accordingly, need to know about it. no one said anything, we didn't talk about it knew. Wait, I don't understand now, first of all, I I haven't heard of this. Even I myself Interesting. What I don't understand. Means, 3 days ago I read a Soviet dispute It's interesting, we're doing this now we're discussing it, but there's a big interview there once Viktor Petrakov as a CSKA player and as a former president BC CSKA. Okay, how is this possible? Well, I don’t know how we are, it’s rude saying there's a team of guys there there, yes, 23-24 years old, uh, the whole season they were going to this victory. AND, Well, we believed, we didn't know that it was like that, that there are some underground ones, behind-the-scenes games. Yes. Well, yes, it's clear that this is all in the game it was felt there, behind the judges' whistles there somewhere. And of course, a great game. There's Dominica Wilkins, he shipped 35 there. everyone who didn't hold it. There is no Nikita there Margunov, neither Invos, nor, in my opinion, Zhenya Kisurin. Wait, but come on, damn, there's a lot questions, even to me, You see, I'm interested. Firstly, Dominic Wilkins. This, it seems to me, is generally one of the most underrated NBA players, about whom They don't talk much about it, but when you see it his moments, well, it's just some a unique athlete, uh, comparable to Jordan in athleticism. That is, well, there you go these dunks, a set of points, he It really was impossible keep it even at the European level. And what was he doing in Nazina Spit? That is How did he end up? There's just money there. Well, there is a lot of money there, yes. Plus, I think there was some kind of disqualification at that time I think he was in this NBA thing. Well, it seems to me that there were no lodes with by law. He fell under this trap, I think. program of this rehabilitation. And he went and, accordingly, He went to Greece. I should have, In my opinion, he shouldn't have even participated in the final four because he has a father died. There they tearfully begged him. This too there was an interview, I read a long interview, but that was about a year ago. Here. And this is a coincidence, there everything came together. And of course, he has, well, no shortage of skill. He played his best game against us played because in the final he was no longer This is what he looked like against Barcelona. Although, Well, they became champions. Well, it's there. these endings are scandalous, scandalous Enakis's loss, a controversial blocked shot Vrankovich, two points from Barcelona not counted. That There is Was it all a political tournament or what? It turns out that based on the interview Petrako, I understand that yes, so that that is, everything was already predetermined, who would be who will be the champion in advance. Well, yes. That is, you don't from his words it is written there, you will become next year. That is, if General Secretary Fiba would do the same to him said, What Well, I'm quoting what's written. No, that's clear. It's you, it's you, it's you in that They didn't understand the moment at all. And you are sincere believed that you, well, you roll along and you have every chance of winning. It's just that sometimes you're in sports, uh, you don't understand what's going on. And this team made it to the final four the well-known Mikhail Davydov. So, because they have a quarterfinal series was against Benito of Treviso. And there too, somewhere the line was whistled, somewhere didn't whistle. Well, that is to say that is, Beniton could play instead Ponakos. Well, he had to play, yes. And were they stronger? They were stronger. They were leading the series there. Well, there was also a murder of beggars, let's say so, the murder of the playing team against, uh, well, these Greek ones. Listen, let's even get interesting. Since we they started talking about dishonest game, do you remember a match where you were openly killed? your match, right there, where you are, well, you play and you understand that, but today is not win. And did you have a match where you they killed, but in spite of it you won? Let's start with the first thing. Ural CSKA under coach Tikhanenko. Yes, There was a murder there. Yes, you were killed. Well, yes, they simply fired two coaches. There's something like that for the attack, well, the difference was plus1 in our favor. I think the judges deducted 12 points for the attack. into one possession. In one possession. That is, these are three-pointers. at the last one, then, therefore, technical coach, second technical coach, then Oleg Lvovich Kima removes the second coach. Free kicks are taken, a penalty is awarded for the rebound foul on the defender again. Well, that is, a person stood there, Chica, I think, stood there I took several penalties in a row. Fine. So, it is. And the one where you are won, in spite of? Well, that's probably the beginning I'll remember. I I went through what is now the major leagues It's called. And so we went to Dagestan. It was about the same there. Us They killed, they killed from the stands, they shouted: "For I'm cutting, don't go out!" And that is, we still we won a point, because they got caught. Yes, just Yes, yes, he scored a lot of three-pointers there. Uh, Well, that's when Kibenko was building there. game. This is already based on that youth, which, well, was supposed to be for the boilermaker The shift was supposed to come, but it didn't. This is very, very cool. I I remembered, I remembered, I had a game It's, uh, the same old Spartak, Andrey. Nikolaevich Maltsev is the first one there, and we We are playing here with Dynamo in Moscow. And somehow we are plus two plus two is our attack. So, it's Dynamo. There are legionnaires and Fedya Likholitov. This is from from the one I remember. Who else I don't remember I played, maybe, and I didn't play the Demo, well doesn't matter. Ah, we have two foreigners there. Kisurin, I'm still young. By the way, I have It was a good match. And in the end it’s like this attack, uh, like 24 seconds left, we long attack until we reach it. We play a long combination, we find American, this Brex is throwing, and so, the average and the ball are tangential, Well, you know, yes, when there's a draft, but the darling touches and falls on Kisurin head. That is, Kisurin is under the ring, he he picks up the ball, gets pushed in the back, he scores. So, first the judge shows count two fouls, one more beats. That is, we are plus two, two scores, plus-four and a penalty kick beats. Then [clears throat] he says: "No, the ball is not considered a foul. earlier." Well, like two penalties. We like: "It's still good." And in the end, that's all That's 30 seconds of redistribution there redone. And in the end, don't count 24 seconds. There were no video views. But my ball didn't touch the hoop. The ball did not touch the hoop. 24 seconds passed. No, attack, there's a foul, overtime and in overtime one way. Goodbye. Here. AND after there, in my opinion, This match, the referees are like this after the game, Andrey. Nikolaevich, everything is fine, everything will be Fine. Well, as usual, We will return it to you, yes. Oh, and I think so too. the next game or through Mantsev's game fired. Well, that is to say, although this victory would have given him the opportunity continue to work with the team because he was just starting his coaching career and then bam, and he went away later This one has already gone to the CSKA youth project and, accordingly, began to build there his coaching career. But to the point that I had my moments too, and I am convinced, that you can win such matches only if you hit it. Well, that is to say you start to hit the mark in spite of that the solution is, well, you can't do anything do. Well, you see, arbiters of fate. A lot of things were also broken, both quarries and Gross careers. It's because of people like that there Well, gross, gross and stupid mistakes. Listen, I'm very interested in discussing this with you because you saw e like this, how our one of them was raised the brightest stars Andrei Kirilenko. That Yes, when he came to the team, I very interesting, uh, anyway, I watched matches, that is, it was clear that it was green the guy is very playful, very tenacious, but it's like, uh, very joined your team and gave you this this youthful enthusiasm. Well, who worked with him? That's what I'm asking. I say he loved playing with my daughter. in my free time. So here, accordingly, as for the game, well and about basketball themes, well, I would like to slightly introduced me to the rhythm of life a little. Yes. Well, in the rhythm of Moscow life adult team. So here it is, with all its charms. As for the game, well, we had it. It was actually set up by Eremin, but Andrey just ran everywhere. Andrey ran everywhere, but it played, let's say, not a cruel joke, but the opposite it helped because somewhere, if we We messed up, especially in defense, here out of nowhere, young Andrei Gennadievich flies out and puts such a hat there to your there to the defender. Well, that's him. I was always amazed by only one thing. The game starts, Stas is doing something I drew it, then boom Kirya takes the ball, Either a two-ruble note or a three-ruble note flew there. I I say: "Andrey, what's going on?" [laughter] He tells me: "Wait "Classic". He called me a classic. Wait, classic, I have to score a goal, but then that's it, I'll play for the team. AND That's how it happened. That is, he could three or four attacks to screw up, then scored those incredible two points there, and, and then, well, it really turned into a team player who is already on everyone's radar we played, and he calmly took it there, well, I scored my points there too. That is he wasn't there initially like the national team or like after the NBA, Yes, first violin, let's call it that. Wait, why classic? Well, he said, Igor, you do everything like that. What you do is nothing extra at all. Well, ask Kiriya, that's his phrase. Fine. That is, I have one American there. called Shat, another New Zealander there He called me captain. But here is Kiri says: "Ah, classic, hello." I go Andryukh, why classic? [laughter] Well, here's his explanation that nothing nothing extra, nothing It's just like in the textbooks. So, I mean, look, well, it works out psychology, he needed these for himself to score two points, so that later, well, I don’t I know, Well, yes, somehow he calmed down. That's it he needed it, apparently a separate number in the protocol, so that appeared, yes. And then he focused on what he was famous for back then. He he was very famous then good with your block shots. Once. Well, plus, If you're lucky, there's a DANK - that's two. And here it is these are his passages into the front, when he, It seemed like everyone was ready to set the table him on the other side, and then Andrey he pretended to be his worm and scored with that the same side from which the center passed. Do you remember this passage? Yes, sure. No, I I think that this is his signature move. That yes, he walked behind the projection of the ring, and I threw it out of here anyway. It's, well, sort of then with its dimensions, well, it's difficult was to protect. But you already understood then, that this will turn into something mega mega basketball or, well, everything anyway, look, what am I getting at now, Kisurin, Panov, well, Panov to a lesser extent, Fetisov. The size is more or less the same same, and Kirilenko's mobility is better, but otherwise, it's more or less plus or minus similar in build throughout. A high Well, Andrey obviously loves basketball. was bigger. Once. Secondly, well, those two The 2 years he spent with me in CSKA before moving there to the NBA, uh, they there too, well, they weren't any kind of fabulous, but, let's say, it was Olympics, since then there was a champion, and on he had already arrived at the European Championship, being Utah player in the status of Utah. Yes. Plus, uh, in my understanding, a clear change The NBA market shifted sharply to Asia and Europe transition, because in that season too there were Parker, Yaminho, then Andrey Kirilenko. A lot of players got into it of that generation. Next comes gas. No, well it was already clear there that direction to Europe, which he already needs expand. Yes. Here. And plus, uh, well, I always say AK-47. Well, what kind of AK-47 is it? Well, my AK-47 concept is an automaton that The Americans gave it this way abbreviation, that based on what you Kallash, you have these trulniki in your tamtu fly in. Here's another good one It's a marketing ploy, but the plus side is that his performance, which he Jerry the Elephant is there I was able to vaccinate at UTI. And again the game with such masters, I think he I studied with Miloun at that time there, and That one is cruel to Kharnachik. I think that this also gave him it is not very important that you you are not there with some other people glamorous scumbags. Listen, but I am also convinced of this this. A, but you understand that everyone, even In your example, a young player needs mentor. Anyway, to go to another level. As I understand it Andrey ended up in the CSKA structure there, yes, he's talented, but you, well, not even only you have it in principle, the team, there are people there who understood basketball, the people who are important they'll direct you, they'll tell you, yeah, like, there you are he asked the question: "Andrey, what are you are you doing? Well, why? He says: "Two I'll score a point and that's it." That is, there are some tips, advice, again, an adult life, it's all somehow different. Well Yes, I have teammates, but the question is So you choose a friend for yourself there, here he is I chose a senior comrade there, for example, Well, whoever teaches him something, then I teach him something bad. didn't teach. There were also some guys from his generations, just in my opinion, Edgar Karimov the late and, in my opinion, Kolya Yura Nikolaev, I think it was Belarus. Here they spent time somehow because There were computer games. Andrey is still here I think he loves them now. Here. And sometimes I had to set an alarm for him put. I sometimes spent the night at his house, because it was a long way from his house to CSKA very close. Yes. He was there at 4:00 am the bus that was leaving for Sheremetyevo. Well that is, to get from Krylatskoye then Still, well, it was a bit difficult. Plus, the road there can be slippery in the morning. be. He always, after playing with my daughter, there he asked my wife for permission, he said: "Can I? He can spend the night with me, like we did we'll walk there in 10 minutes and we'll go to the game there with Beniton, conditionally there or something else. Yes. Yes, no problem. That is, Kirillenko inspired confidence in my wife, still does it. Well done. Ah, listen, it’s very, ah, first of all, a worrying question. I know you already there were thousands of these stories told about about mm about Minusota, but I just have to ask. It's like a part of history, it's part of your experience. I even love you more I'll say that she's a bit similar to mine. history. I'll explain to you why now. Because when I had the opportunity go to America, uh, I don't at all understood what it was. That is, I have there were no examples, there were no people who they would tell me: "Anton, go, e". This is another world, another level, go. And when your stories, well, I I studied them when I served, I did too it seemed that it wasn't even that example, ah, well, that wasn't even a thought such that, well, this is your chance for something more, for there to go out level. So you kind of tried it, I looked, well, and okay. Well, well, yes, well All, Well, yeah, I don't really care there, well, how about them they didn't say, well, specifically: "Well, come on, that's it, we are surprised." That is, there are scouts, which showed There are some cassettes there. Yes. I appeared, the one whom they we saw it with our own eyes, but there is some system, that someone shot at the Olympics, and they they already signed it, and now they're here they have these salarikap systems they look at how much money is left and will they even stay there, well, so that sign you. Yes. And such that, like this no one could take it there, pull it up some oligarch and say: "Give it to me. we will be freed there and here we are, human We'll sign this one up for the minimum wage there." Yes. There were no times like these. That is Cam. Makhel may have earned this money, but Why should he give it to some Russian? Listen, but look, let's do it this way. Ae, first of all, uh, well, it was planned trip, that is, they simply said about you, There is interest there, go and try it. And most importantly, wasn't CSKA against you going there? You were with a contract or did you run out? contract? It's just interesting. Stas was against it. Well, I understand him. And it was Petrakov who showed me this. This Here is a letter that came from Minnesota. Nobody spoke to me. Yeah. before this. Well, I just knew that There is a Boris Karebin who He'll meet me there if I fly in. He, Well, that is, I went to prepare for preseason with CSKA, I know that I have there are tickets at the end of this cycle preseason. There are tickets to Menpolis. So, that is, well, you understood that, well, there are some risks of spoiling it there relationship with Stas or No? I understood that I, you know, like contract. I don't have one as such there was no contract. As it turned out, all these contracts were at that time in Films on diplomas. Papers. Yes. Yes. There were just army shoulder straps. And, accordingly, first Well, you were led to believe that all this is working, Yes? Well, there was a kind of love for CSKA, right? No, well it was simply impossible to leave, or Well, stay there at your own risk. I said that the situation was closer, that Yes, go ahead, okay, if that's what you ask, I'll stay, but it will be like this The gravestone ran away, to put it bluntly. Yes. Only he escaped through Finland there or through Sweden, and I could have gone there straight away stay in Minnesota. But again, this is all in the words of the signature there was none there. Hm. Interesting. Listen, but let's do it this way. You arrived there, right? Aa something about you surprised? Here you are, that is, you arrived there, well, let's say, let's call this viewing, well, it doesn't matter how you got there, What do you care about? This is an NBA team, and young people Marbori, Gornett, what is this anyway? Well, the first one is the exit from the airport. You walk from the airport and there is a limousine waiting to meet you. I thought we'd have to take a taxi there now. No, the weirdo opened the door, sat everyone down, brought to the hotel. [sighs] Luxurious room. I lived with a Lithuanian sprashkvichesom. There was one like this, which by the way, he also stayed, having a contract, having fled from Lithuania. AND, Well, he didn't play for Minnesota. His immediately sent to the G League. And, in my opinion, then he only returned to Europe through Beshiktazh he started playing. Well, there's another one. there was a story, it's not my position there, 27 people, that is rival of Christian Leitner. Yes. [sighs] What was surprising next? Well, first of all, The service is precise, everything happens like clockwork training sessions are also scheduled. I don't do that. I've seen it before. Maybe in others There were teams, but this didn't happen at CSKA. At CSKA they all gathered in a circle. We meet tomorrow at 11:00. There they shouted. CSKA and after 30 seconds the question: "So, how many of you are there tomorrow?" Here. And here everything is clear on the pieces of paper It is written down. Well, how did the whole management then? and so I started doing it. So you know the schedule is practically for a week there with airplanes, with simulators, with everyone. Here. What struck you? The first one, then, The training was at, I think, 8 o'clock. Well, newbies came to get taped. to everyone. Yes. To everyone. So this one, I don't remember how he staplecenter, in my opinion, in the ministry. Stepcenter. Here. AND Every time I came to seven, I saw that Terry Potter is an old man already six, I'm so I see him riding an exercise bike. He finished playing in Minnesota, he The exercise bike has been spinning for an hour already. Well, you know what I'm talking about. That there is everything All NBA locker rooms are everything. AND gym, and how all these massage restorative procedures. Well, of course, yes. Yes, I was all shocked. that each form is for each dry workout. And I was also surprised, How are they doing all this, these mesh bags? hid, in which all this was erased. U We were the ones who experienced this wildness. And now You can order socks there separately, wash, T-shirts. Previously, I threw everything in this one, and here, it turns out, the bags were numbers. Everything is hung up, everything, everything is clean. Listen, well, when they called you, uh did they even understand who you were? Or like this, let's say you come there and I just I'm trying to put myself in their shoes. Here some Russian guy comes here and then, You have a decent serial production. you, if just put dots to throw, well, there, I can imagine what a shock they were in, when there Well, here they are, in principle, this is Boris later He said, I say: "Why are you like this to me? wild interest." Well, they say: "Well, First of all, it's NBA Rangers, well, sort of. NBA distance, you make it look so easy "Everything flies." Secondly, they looked there, I didn't know that there were training sessions are recorded on camera. Turns out, training sessions are recorded. Here's the throw training, they just gave this there's a joke to do there. Oh, and he says: "You dropped four points at 109 there and one there 108". I say, "And well, I say, "Well, that's it. ok, we're at CSKA, we're at 100 "We throw things there all the time." Yes, no problem. Well, 109 is usually 10. Well, they were kind of surprised, yeah, there. A, and here, he says, they are already thinking, They signed Sean Heal from the national team. Australia, that was the first number. But he either we were at the Olympics or we weren't there Well, we, well, didn't get into the nineties. fifth, we were just supposed to go to Atlanta, we just flew past. Here. Well, I mean, I was surprised that, It turns out that everything is still being filmed. Oh, and there was amazed well, the number of players that were on viewing. Well, these are absolutely nothing. Well, that's right, yeah, [laughter] it's just such a mess there. Listen, why? accepting congratulations that I have twice Marbury covered it there, [clears throat] they tell me: "Congratulations." Me: "What is it?" Yes you covered the first number draft pick. I'm there Who am I anyway? Stefan Mark. That There is a Gornet that stood out. I knew Gornet, but this man, that is, he didn't make an impression on you impression in general. This is normal, right? Well, it's a good one, solid, black. Well, Well, then when I was watching the video on I don't understand the TV anymore, I say, How does this guy score so many goals there? And what are they congratulating you on? Well some, yes, he kept saying: "Igor, you "lucky man". I'm like that too then. I didn't understand what it meant, what do they want from me, yes. A a listen, here is your training camp, it How was it built in general? E specificity the training then was different from that What were you doing there with Stas? Ae how Were there any trainings at all? Well, the warm-up was the same every morning. same. This is a figure eight run, and with by hammering from above. So, that is, three passes under the platform from above, right? Here are three such sites you must run. But I couldn't score above. So they said that well then jump to the maximum. [laughter] Yes, I can't do it from above, but I can do it from 9 meters away. as much as you want. Then there was, then, a warm-up. In the first We didn't do any team activities at all that day. interactions, preparing for this sartaymu. Summertai show. Samerli, yes. No, [snorts] they have it there It was exactly Minisota, it was already The final part of Summertime The showcase was called something like the last one. this, where you just play, Yes? So, I came to New Jersey then. the team was called. Then Atlanta came and Cleveland then came with Zhidrun Elgausk. Yes. [sighs] So, there were, well, three games, three game days. three game days, and before that five training days. So, the first of these I'm telling you the exercises, we always have them it was the same, and the second, therefore, there were throws, and then they put us in position and taught us play in fasting. Yes. Both in defense and in attack there. This It was, well, it was hard for me. It was hard because there were athletes or Why No? Well, well, there's some elbow work there. constantly. This Well, what a plus you should have, Well, it was new to me, you need to I had to read these trainers all the time. stopped the nuances. We will never do this They told me which side the elbow was on. substitute this one. Uh Where should the feet be during defense? there. Then there was the same running around, as everyone loves. Three against two, two against three, and there was the first day 5 on 5 free game. Well, there you understand what happened. There was a man who couldn't throw you move away from him, he’s still there you fly, but jump. Uh, I'm like that. I didn't see the jump. There [laughter] A meter 85 person jumps like this from land. [ __ ], wait, are you in all of this, well, that is, you How did you feel in these games? Hey, you I felt confident when you were here did you play or did you just not understand? Oh, well, I took an example from somewhere, uh, if I was alone, so I beat accordingly. If, uh, there was some kind of game going on somewhere combination, I tried to go into the passage, like marchelyunis, using these, [snorts] And made an extra showing. And I'm very happy there I understood well, there was a black one on after viewing, he then signed with them contract. Dean Gareth, he played for Spider actually in Europe, and we are here together with they got to this screening. And he is such an experienced person there thanks to these Alya Marchelenets's programs there, well, signed and stayed, in my opinion, for this He stayed for a season or two. That is me was surprised. That is, the black one that is there didn't have any Well, we spider easily always took place in It's clear. Well, he played, he played. Yes, Yes. But here he brought them more benefit, What did they end up signing in Rankovic? this. [sighs] Here. Well, that is to say, everything is still going on circumstances. Vrankovic asked for more money than they did expected. After all, they were waiting for him then MVP. It's just the nine sixth year. He will ask for more money. Accordingly, the salarikap does not apply to me left. Yeah, listen, yeah, let's do it this way. First of all, a If there was something left, would you move? Well, there was bound to be some kind of call anyway. to enroll. Well, I probably would have moved. That is, I would take the risk. Yes. Yes. Well, on the other hand, here I am later I felt it in ninety-seventh Oh, yes. In ninety-seventh, here are the first pains in I felt Achilles. Yes. In winter, that is, it is unknown, how would the future have turned out? I think I was there for the entire European Championship. I was already playing with a special boot. there I had massages, that is, already Little by little they didn't treat my Achilles, but simply We did some preventative measures, yes, restrained the slow stratification. So and It turned out that the doctor who treated me operated in ninety-seven, uh, in I'm eager to play with Macabe in Moscow, it turns out that the doctor who stitched it up, he The first thing he said to me was, "You were injecting something. in Achilles?" I say: "No, only ice." He says: "Well, it's strange, you had Achilles' disease, and you don't get Achilles right away it broke, and yours gradually broke these fibers." And that is, you, he says, I've practically run through the last month, Well, on one fiber. But he didn't say what needed to be done, it was necessary to treat. Well, someone actually needs an injection helps. It's just interesting. I, well, I have a lot of me even I understand that now, well, they are tearing Achilles and there, well, it’s kind of serious recovery. And what was it like at that time? did you know about this? They just sewed it together and hoped that it would heal. [snorts] Well, the man who is in Afghanistan operated, he just said that no Don't worry, I sewed Privalova just fine sewed it up. Uh, do you remember this Irina? Privalova? Here is our runner cat famous. And here he is, her back muscle. he sewed up his hips, which no one could, and She then, in my opinion, well, performed some more successfully. Achilles stitched me up too. He he said, he says: "Don't worry, I, He says he slaughtered 300 rabbits and gave each one I sewed them together differently. Helov". Torit: "This is the best one the very best way, yes, there with the addition of lavsan all this is even more this one remains." But the hardest thing is to develop the leg again to the state of flexibility, so that she I accepted you as you were before. No, no, you understand, there are already a lot of them now protocols that well, which are used, and he already, well, how would have been worked out. They say it with malice, there it is minus 9 months. Doesn't matter 9 months. So what are you doing there anyway? did nothing at the beginning or what? And I not even only upper humeral. Upper humeral. But you, uh, I mean, uh, I understood and you had an inner desire to come back. A very strong desire. And so, uh, Thanks, of course, well, and CSKA, and then Belou's team, that they saw this path recovery and, well, my desire to kind of return to the site. Ah, listen, here, uh, I want to again Let's move a little bit towards your words. You said that after this injury you are no longer was the same, you didn't have the ease in legs. Did you feel it? What you already another. Well, first of all, danger. Danger. At first, there is apprehension. And then somewhere it's easy I felt myself, well, probably already moving to Lokomotiv Mineralnye Vody. Yes. And there I am for the first time in my life at 30 He scored a goal from above with both feet. So, this is thanks to some work or pharmaceuticals? It's clear. Barbell, pharmaceuticals. I don’t even know, it could be the south wind. This can be discussed. Fine. A this transition, you are a legend of CSKA in general, and I already deserve everything. Hey, fans of you love. Uh, I adore you only because, that you play in uniform, and under the uniform you You have a different T-shirt. God, how is this looks stylish. I still play, so that you know my my, I say so that you I knew, channel subscribers, I still I'm playing in a T-shirt with sleeves. I have Igor, True, he played without sleeves, he has those there were shoulders, a red uniform, a white one T-shirt underneath. I have a black one T-shirt, but with sleeves. God, how is this stylish. It's stylish, right? How so? Well, how is that? It's just a fairy tale. You are a legend, but your chant is your own. All. And you too you cross into Mineralnye Vody. How is this? it turns out? Well, that played a big role here. moment, let's say, bad management CSKA. It was such a transitional period, I I'll name him. This was before Sergei arrived. Valentinovich Kushchenko, before the arrival Andrejava Tutina. I think that the management for 2 years he, well, couldn't cope with it there management. AND The team was good, and the star too. And Pashutin, and the second Pashutin, and Girichik, there is a star of European basketball there. Well, there was no result there. You too Do you remember the fourth one with the scandal? place. And then, in my opinion, Vitya Khryapa and Seryoga Monya were buried as once your future club. Yes, that's right. Here in Saratov No, you remember playing in Saratov? Kebu Stewart, so healthy, who made 20 rebounds, Yes, and no one understood what was wrong with him. do. He just threw it to the side rings and killed. Then the next year I played with him in Unix together. Yes, that's right. The man made his own statistics in one go attack. Yeah, he was just throwing it down there, I picked and picked, then you look, He had 25 points and 20 rebounds. Well, the fact that played a big role Mineralnye Vody locomotive at that time was based in Rostov. And since I am from from Taganrog 60, yes, that's mine, so to speak I even specially ordered buses, Guys. Well, there are eight people in VKrus. were placed from Taganrog. Personal fan came. Yes. Well, how could I against my own? fellow countrymen, to play in front of your fellow countrymen worse than CSKA? That is to say, I think that that season was also one of the best. Well, after the injury and right after the transition. Well, here, you know how it is, but it’s important moment, uh, such accents. First, yours motivation to return from Achilles' injury, This is important. Second, your land, where are yours? Fans, this is all just for you. I just had to play. And to what extent? you were, uh, well, your feelings come back, play in Rostov there, huh, that's all equal to Mineralnye Vody, stands, personal Fans, this is how you would feel love people? Well, yes, there were gestures there too, your gestures to some fans. Okay, well tell me. Well, it's interesting. This it was just beginning, yes, now everything They're running around there, beating something there. Well no I bear the difference. And you, it turns out, in general, Well, one of the first to start it apply? Well, before, well, you know, like there was a friend, which was the bald spot there. So, Well, what am I going to show there, Lyokha, this is you? Well, no, accordingly, I came up with it the gesture is such that [laughter] what it was and he knew that it was for him. Yes, Holy [ __ ]. Well, how is this even possible? This is it it's just that you are somewhere out there. Well, it's, well, it's kind of a gimmick, you know, hype on the game. You catch, I understand that, but you are timeless. This Now all this is fashionable then. Nobody does this I didn't understand, do you understand? And you run to protection faster. [laughter] You run and show. Well, I shook my head. Where does this come from anyway? Well, that is to say this is great. How are you, by the way, how are you performed that season? How's the team? third in the Russian championship And lost to Korocha in the final of the Cup Frenchconsi. Well, that is enough. successfully. Good. Wait, did he call you there? Was Sukachev there then? There was Sukachev Here. And the backup was Vedischev's. That Yes, we changed each other. Andryukha, Change it, I'll change it. Okay, well wait, stop. Let's do it then gradually. Very interesting. Firstly, about Skachev, well, that's a separate story, because, ah, according to my inner feelings, he made a huge contribution to development of this entire structure Locomotive. Well, that is to say, Well, this is the first manager, the first the president who came out there Aksenova, in my opinion, at that time, and the first money came from there. I mean, well, he did it for the team. He did everything for the team. He did everything, everything that was promised. performed. Moreover, if it was signed with foreigners contract, then we have, well, basically account, shook hands, prepayment in the form of a brick and drove on. I divided the remaining amount by the season and play, work. Plus there were bonuses. That is to say, yes, trustworthy relationship. Well, yes, yes, yes, yes. Wait, there is some, he's like, well, how is this, well, no I don't want to say the word bandit, it I don't like. No, not a bandit. Well let's call him a serious person who, in principle, he could have been there, Well, he decided there, yes, especially in Mineralovodsky, Yes, well, there were some stories. Wait, there were some stories where there Averikosovs were brought in Listen, well, they weren't there in my presence. The only thing he tried to tell was that Now we will win the game. And he is constantly there was Dr. Igor, and he constantly He said: "Igor, come on and translate." And he explained to the Americans: "Look, look, let's go to the mountains, to the mountains, "Let's slaughter two rams." [ __ ], that's it. this is all shown. We'll have a barbecue. I understand how the Americans feel about all this. watched. And what do the Americans have to do with it? They were serious, not just candy wrappers. A Well, I caught Tony Turner, Tony Farmer and James Hollywood Robinson. This, I think, is one of those, well, there were the best tandems. We have a plus was Yugoslav, and this is Voikon Bencic, Left-handed number one. Yes. And Goron Berrynick. And Sasha Doncic didn't make it through our selection. He trained with us for a month. Luke The little one was also running there in the express train next to each other. He and Luka were with him. Yes, Luke was with him. Sasha would a month later he was expelled. He was weak. Listen, well, well, they were similar with s Berry, so, well, they sent him away. He was more interesting, yes, as if. Yes, yes, this one was more clamped. That there is, look now, what plastic Luka, yes, and dad is just zero tree, [ __ ], I am from the chest. Okay, yes. Wait, you said that what I replaced your presenters. This is this is interesting interesting interesting combination. I like him as a player I don't remember, to be honest. Well, he played for most of his career. still in Austria. Yes. Maybe you caught him in Spartacus maybe Spartak-Moscow saw a new one team. And he moved from there border guard of Stavropol, while this the team existed. [snorts] And after After this he left for Senton in Austria. And then it showed up, I think, in Saratov. And the next year in in Mineralovodsky Mati. We were teammates in this one right away room. That is, you are constantly you are as if close We talked, right? Yes. Until some point? Yes. Interesting. And you might have thought then that he will be such a serious person in Lokomotiv system? Listen, literally a year later I went on a business trip to Uniks. He stayed play for Mineralnye Vody. Just this year Tolik had an obsession, he invited, played for us champion slamdankam Cedric Sibalas, do you remember? Then? Here he spent this, in my opinion, or half a year, or something like that. Well, in short, the presenter expelled, Gutorov was expelled from teams because, Well, the team didn't show results. Karasev just left for Uniks. Karasev came to the mineral waters. Yes. Here Andrey was expelled and by the end of the year he already My contract expired with Unix. And Andryukha calls me: "How are you? How are you?" He says: "I'm a long time I won't lead you astray there." Rather all I need, he says, is yours agreement in principle. You will come play. Well, I need a star there. team for the initial stage. I, says, most likely, I will become director of Lokomotiv. I'm like, what, how. Well, let's do it later. All. And after the top press and already at the first training session we met there. Are you leaving? I went, yes. Because, well, I thought, I'd rather be at home for that kind of money play than go to Litusritz. After all, I was 33 at that time. there. Well, it's like you're in the very juice. Well, I was in my prime at 35, and at 40, when the players were breaking down and I was the coach. This is what interests me. Well, that is to say by feel Well, you haven't played for 35 years yet. That is to say Three for sure, yes. Yes, according to the internal aa Now I'll try to get the idea right. form. Well, I mean, how did this happen? Well, that is to say Okay, okay, weak weak work agents. By the way, I'm also in this situation. was, when you sit, you have some kind of They're loading the topic up my ears. Now, now, Igor, we're negotiating here with Macabi. Litovasritos, but in fact there is nothing. Well that is, your situation, how it turned out, That you didn't have any options? AND listen, well it was simple. That's what I would do finished. [sighs][sighs heavily] Mm, first there was a locomotive, then there was some There was a pause, and then Unix had a force majeure. Force majeure at Unix. And they [sighs] All their first numbers got sick. That is, this is Samoylenko, this is Damir Mršić And Eremin: No, I'm lying. It was another one season. This is when Sereika took charge, when Štrombergas arrived. Yes, I remember when there were Lithuanians. Yes, yes. Yes. AND Stas advised the sireika to take me. I spent 3 months in my first incomplete season. I spent 3 months in in the Unics clip. Yes. When everything you recovered, and the time has come there there are 26 of our New Year's transitions December Bogachev tells me: "What are you You can't score 20 points, can you? "That's it, we're expelling you." Did you play normally? Well, I have Vitas in there was a rotation. Well, there is rotation on the podbe. Well, it's peculiar there. I didn't find common ground with Sereyka until the end. language. Yes. Here. And after that it starts for me pause. This is January and the beginning of February. He calls me Tarakanov at that moment, which represented my agency these services. He says: "Are you going to the Czech Republic to play?" I'm there some kind of folding one, a little bit there I ran around Rublevka according to this policy. I say: "Well, I'll go, of course." Yes. And I went to the Czech championship, to the team, who dreamed of becoming second in Nimburg, because Nimburg is permanent champion, like CSKA. So I went to play for the Prostejovskis eagles like that. So, Well, he came to me right away and said: "U You've been out for 2 weeks. Here There's a game tomorrow. [laughter] And you just ran, right? Yes. Yes, something "Something like that." Well, in short, right off the bat it's like this It turned out to be 25 points. Mm, I forgot. And then they came up, they said: "The tripout is over, that's all there is, yeah, Everything is fine. So I signed a contract there already, Well, for some money." Well, they were. Not good. No, there, well, sort of A+ if we are the second ones to do it, then instead of four salaries you will also get they give one, a fifth. Well, that's how it happened, that we and the whole team made it to the finals stopped playing. Well, because we completed the task. Yes, It was 2000, just the seventh year, yours a fabulous year. Seryoga Tarakanov all I dedicated my work to the national team. And when the moment of August came, I told him I asked a question and he said no, I Now after the European Championship it's like this I'm tired, he says, I'll leave now Vietnam for a month. He went on vacation, from He hasn't heard from me for a month, and there's been no news for two. And I just went to Kushchenko's veterans' clinic I already started running and playing basketball at that time. Yes. Here. And he How old were you at that time? 35. Five, right? And he says to me: "What are you What are you going to do there? Come on, ASB is developing." I called Seryoga and said: “That’s it, I I'm finishing." I've already been appointed farewell match. More precisely, there are no wires The beginning, not a farewell match. You went to the Czech Republic. And you're already there foreigner. Yes. A I felt it when I went to Iran, where Here's a ball for you. So, Igor, what do you need? Two dampers here or however you would like go out? That is, a different trust, a different one. attitude. And I looked at basketball in a different way. That is, I am used to Russian system, yes, all Russian players what do they do? Right? They play along. Oh, and here wow, so, huh There's a foreigner here, right? a foreigner, but also the demand is different. That is, if you don't you type in the numbers, and they start right away talk: "And something is wrong with him there, because that [snorts] I couldn't get used to Iran, because in Iran, uh, they're doubled games." That is, you prepare for a week, then like Friday, Sunday, game or Saturday, Sunday, game, and you, You need to play for 35 minutes once and immediately the next day again for 35 minutes play. AND the system of our first league. Well, yes, I am because when you're 35, it's already a bit hard into this. I couldn't get everything right. Uh, me it took several cycles there weekly. That is to say, I understood it later, How do I need it, what do I need to do for recovery so that I can issue both match, because like in one match I'm 25, in another six. And they're like, "Well, how is that? six?" And we finished third. Your feeling, you felt this attitude, that treats you differently. You said there was Iranian hashish yesterday not very strong. Yes. Yes. Not good good. Oh, yes, of course, there was demand, because, well, when there are twenty birds You start to score the first one. game, and then you start there at 12, somewhere six, then the questions go there what and how. Well, we had a good coach. and Michal, who always coached the main Czech national team. Ah, well I understood, yes, yes. And that is him I saw these declines. Plus we don't have it there either there was a large forest. We ran all over there. time around the hall and [snorts] were needed weekend. And in the Czech Republic a day off is So there's good draft beer there. Necessarily, Yes. Plus, everyone there has, well, their own tasks. For example, we had a captain His son is now a star in hockey. I Czech, you don't know now I don't follow. Well, it's not that important. Crap, I'll show you the last name sometime. Fine. Well, he's a real star. Here he is I was driving back from training there and he says, "Here It's a day and a half weekend now, I need to take my son to hockey in Brno, which is 80 km away there." I'm there I had to take my daughter to school, which was 60 km away. transport there too. That is, as comfortable as in CSKA There is no such thing. The fact that all the clubs are like this now Well, they would fight for their foreigners. But in the Czech Republic they are taking a different approach newcomers coming out of university market. They are given complete carte blanche for small salary. If they shoot in this championship, then they can rise there to the level of Nimburg. There, in In principle, four teams pay. This Dichin and Pordubic Nimburg is the main champion. Well, somewhere Liberec is there because of its proximity to Germany. All. The rest of you are there, well, Thomas. Satansky, who is a star, right? This is exactly the year he was recognized. one of the best rookies of 2007, yes, there he played for the regular Sparta team Prague, I was filling up my statistics. He He scored 40 against us. That is one The man played and was then sold. Andrey, when I became a scout for Lokomotiv, I'm just Andryukh Vidischev He offered it, there was an opportunity to take it. And he had an interest in the side then these former socialist republics of ours young, promising, and he knew that the guy is good in, How can I say, well, it's good practice or as an assessment. Yes. But the parents chose, despite the money we offered him. My parents chose it initially, I think. he went to that school or Folabrada there in Spain, Yes? And then school, well, Barcelona went further. Cool. That is, in theory, Staransky could end up in Lokomotiv, right? Well, that was the approach back then. No, well, this is interesting. But you see, a It turns out that in fact everything is simple. That is they cling to weak teams first, develop, then go into a weak state Spanish championship, there to be illuminated and further option, if young, promising, Barcelona right away Barcelona and Real are catching my attention. And then here he is He went to the NBA and then came back. Well, let's see who we have now. Amosov left, right? Amosov. Well, here it is, Ruzhentsev's example is, in my opinion, option the cycle would pass through Slovenia, Serbia. And he went through Serbia. Well, someone is there through a kirka. This is Yes, Yes. No, well that's normal. Well, that is all. equal here This is not the first time I've said this, that in Russian basketball today It's a very difficult moment for a young player. to prove oneself and get a foothold, because, a a huge number of foreigners, each The club is focused on results. Main the coach who comes, he doesn't interest in developing a young player, he we need to show it now and immediately result. And where is the maneuver for young? I think you yourself when I trained, you put a lot of effort into it. the number of young people, and they need study. You have to give them chances, must give them the opportunity to make mistakes. Just like you did in your time bumps and then as a result, the final four. Well, like, that's already important. Listen, because We've already given it a hard time here, and I have Blitz for you. So, what kind of blitz is it? I I'm asking you a question. Yes. You just you answer it. Well, nothing complicated. Faces with Igor Kudelin. Favorite coach of all times. Eremin. Best partner on the court? M. Evgeny Poshutin. A the most difficult player to play against did you have to defend yourself? Zakhar, you're joking. Favorite arena where you played? does not exist in the SZ named after Gomelsky. And he is no longer with us? Yes, it's a pity. A If there is such a favorite movie about sports? I won't say upward movement though It is popular. I guess so, I'll tell you legend number 17. Fine. Uh, so, back to our conversation from CSKA, ah, the game is on scheme or improvisation? Improvisation [snorts] three-pointer or drive to the hoop? Three-pointer. [laughter] Well, and the last one. Favorite number on the uniform. And why? Oh well, I still count it as a seven. beloved. Although the national team played under number five. You know, when I learned it, well, not in perfect English, began to understand the abbreviation Lucky 7. Here's a lucky seven. And I started it generally number fourteen. Okay, cool, thanks. Oh, and the last one. I have a question for you. Otphone's heading. A Now I will always ask these questions to the guys. And if you, uh, could go back and change something, What would you do? Well, change what? at all? In life, you could, uh, jump time machine and change something or left everything as is? No, I wouldn't change anything. Maybe, if only, well, asked for a little more brains at the age of twenty-five. Fine. As in the fairy tale, the lady is a little brains? Friends, was Anton with you? Bankrashov and Igor Kudelin. Let me remind you to you, what is the comment, a like is only necessary for the reason that that you will help promote the video. Igor, Thank you so much for coming to come visit us. For me it was sincerely great honor. I am rashinganr. [laughter] [music]